WATCH: Ben Shapiro Goes ‘Uncensored’ With Piers Morgan On Politics, Culture

Daily Wire editor Emeritus Ben Shapiro He sat down and had a chat with his ex-nemesis, who was now his friend. Piers Morgan The two commentators covered a broad range of issues on Wednesday, from wokeism through gay marriage to the broader political scene. 2024 Presidency race

Morgan was joined by Shapiro on Wednesday’s episode “Piers Morgan Uncensored,” They would often be seen laughing, chatting, and debating with one another a decade after their first disagreement on television. This 2013 Meeting This was a significant moment in the lives of both men. Morgan left his CNN show shortly thereafter and Shapiro’s national profile skyrocketed.

They spoke deprecatingly about Wednesday’s first meeting. Shapiro now aged 39, sporting a beard, joked that it was he “hit puberty” Morgan, now 57, stated that Shapiro was back then. “a hell of a lot smarter than you appeared” Morgan won that meeting.

Morgan and Shapiro discussed a tweet that Shapiro had pinged to Shapiro’s top of Twitter, a 2016 posting that said: “Facts don’t care about your feelings.” Shapiro claimed that a radical sense if individualism has overtaken objective reality. It is a phenomenon conservatives have called woke cancel culture.

“The moment that you start to identify ‘your truth’ with ‘the truth,’ then anybody attacking your truth is attacking you as a human being,” Shapiro described the shift as a unique event in human history. “Where we’ve gone is this movement away from we’re having a political debate, but we can go out and have a drink afterward … to my politics are who I am, or my feelings about who I am, or my feelings about the world, that’s the thing that matters more than anything else.”

The conversation moved on from the lies being told by politicians to the tribal attitude dominating much of American politics. Shapiro said that this was due to Shapiro’s attitude of “emotivism” In which people base their political beliefs more on their emotions than on the evidence.

Morgan, who identified as center-left politically said that he had shifted in his view of the general culture due to how dominant leftist ideology is.

“I’d never identified as a conservative, but the further lunatic that the Left woke go, the more the pendulum swings. And eventually we all get sucked into thinking, well, okay, actually by comparison to this, I probably am getting a bit conservative because I think they’re lunatics,” Morgan said.

They agreed that most people are “craving any sense of normality,” as Shapiro put it.

The discussion about gay marriage was the most contentious during the interview.

“Why shouldn’t two men who are gay actually be able to bring a child up? Why shouldn’t, if they want to, get married? How is it equal or fair for them to be excluded?” Morgan asked his guest.

Shapiro separated the issues of gay marriage from gay parenting, and addressed the latter first. Shapiro said that the government should preserve the traditional definition of gay marriage as a matter for public policy.

“The question is which relationships society chooses to sanctify, so I’m not in favor of, for example, laws that criminalize homosexual activity or two men living together or two men making a lifelong commitment to one another in whatever context they wish to do that,” Shapiro said. “What I’m objecting to is the idea that marriage as a term is equally applicable to relationships that are designed to produce the future generation and then raise them as opposed to two people who love each other.”

“As far as gay parenting,” Shapiro continued, “there are sort of hierarchies of options, meaning that the ideal is man, woman, child. And then, you know, if you can’t fulfill that ideal, then there’s obviously gradations. I would rather that two gay men are raising a child than have that child be in an orphanage, for example.”

Morgan then asked Morgan if gays should be allowed to. “have the same rights in law [as] straight couples?”

Shapiro made a distinction between benefits and rights. He defined the benefits as “a” “government non-intervention with particular activity,” This means that heterosexual marriage does no preclude gay men having a relationship of their choosing with the person of their choice.

Morgan stated that he has witnessed both good and bad parenting examples from straight and gay couples. “I don’t really see any particular distinction about what combination you have as your parents,” He stated.

“I do,” Shapiro answered. “The reason I do is because, again, I think there is a fundamental distinction between woman and man, and what that means is that mothers and fathers are both necessary. And so the idea that two men can simply supplant a man and a woman on a generic, average level, I don’t think it’s true.”

Morgan won the 2024 election for President.