{"id":573413,"date":"2021-06-24T19:22:15","date_gmt":"2021-06-24T23:22:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=573413"},"modified":"2021-06-24T19:22:20","modified_gmt":"2021-06-24T23:22:20","slug":"joy-reid-struggles-to-defend-crt-repeatedly-cuts-off-chris-rufo-its-my-show-its-how-i-want-to-do-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/joy-reid-struggles-to-defend-crt-repeatedly-cuts-off-chris-rufo-its-my-show-its-how-i-want-to-do-it\/","title":{"rendered":"Joy Reid Struggles To Defend CRT, Repeatedly Cuts Off Chris Rufo: \u2018It\u2019s My Show, It\u2019s How I Want To Do It\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<aside class=\"mashsb-container mashsb-main mashsb-stretched\"><div class=\"mashsb-box\"><div class=\"mashsb-count mash-medium\" style=\"float:left\"><div class=\"counts mashsbcount\">42<\/div><span class=\"mashsb-sharetext\">SHARES<\/span><\/div><div class=\"mashsb-buttons\"><a class=\"mashicon-facebook mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservativenewsdaily.net%2Fbreaking-news%2Fjoy-reid-struggles-to-defend-crt-repeatedly-cuts-off-chris-rufo-its-my-show-its-how-i-want-to-do-it%2F\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-twitter mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?text=&amp;url=https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=573413&amp;via=ConservNewsDly\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-subscribe mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"#\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Subscribe<\/span><\/a><div class=\"onoffswitch2 mash-medium mashsb-noshadow\" style=\"display:none\"><\/div><\/div>\n            <\/div>\n                <div style=\"clear:both\"><\/div><\/aside>\n            <!-- Share buttons by mashshare.net - Version: 4.0.47--><div><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/06\/JR-1200x800-1.jpg\" class=\"ff-og-image-inserted\"  style=\"display:none\"><\/div>\n<p>Far-left MSNBC host Joy Reid invited Senior Manhattan Institute Fellow Chris Rufo on to her show on Wednesday evening to discuss Critical Race Theory.<\/p>\n<p>Reid repeatedly cut off Rufo, who is an expert on the issue, during the 15-minute interview. Rufo struggled to complete more than a sentence or two throughout the entire interview without being cut off, shouted down, or talked over.<\/p>\n<div id>\n<p><em>JOY REID, MSNBC HOST: Raucous school board meetings are one result of a national campaign by political operatives to eradicate curriculums on racial and other forms of equity, which, mind you, is not the same thing as Critical Race Theory. One of those operatives, critical race theory opponent Christopher Rufo joins me now. And, Christopher, thank you so much for making some time to be with us this evening.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>CHRISTOPHER RUFO, CRITICAL RACE THEORY OPPONENT: Well, thank you.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Thank you.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>OK, so let\u2019s start out, do the elephant in the room. So, you and I started off on a little bit of a Twitter beef. I talked about you, I quoted you in an article that one of our great journalists here at NBC had quoted you in a piece, and I quoted that on TV. And then you tweeted that you wanted to come on the show and said I didn\u2019t have the courage to put you on. Now, I will just note that Twitter, it\u2019s for \u2014 it\u2019s a hyperbole zone. So, I \u2014 whatever. It\u2019s all water under the bridge. But I just want to just get to a couple of little factual things. Why would I need courage to have you on? Are you like an expert in race or racial history? Are you a lawyer? Are you a legal scholar? Is that part of your background?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Yes, I\u2019m a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, where I\u2019m running their initiative on Critical Race Theory. And the reason that I reached out on Twitter to you \u2014 and I appreciate you having me on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Sure.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: I enjoy this kind of cross-partisan dialogue. But the reason is not just because you were attacking me on air, which I think is fine. It\u2019s politics. That\u2019s fair game.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Well, one second. Just \u2014 I wasn\u2019t attacking you. I was reading your quote. So that\u2019s what I did. I read your quote. But go on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Sure, but you were reading it with the framing, calling me a political operative, which I\u2019m not. I\u2019m actually a think tank scholar. But let\u2019s put all that aside. The problem that I have is that you have really spread four, I think, key false pieces of information about critical race theory.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: OK.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: You have claimed in recent weeks that critical race theory isn\u2019t being taught in schools. You have claimed that most American public school students learn what you call Confederate race theory and are taught that slavery was \u2014 quote \u2014 \u2018not so bad.\u2019 You have claimed that state legislation will prevent schools from teaching about the history of racism. And, finally, you have claimed that Critical Race Theory isn\u2019t rooted in the philosophical tradition of Marxism. And I think that all four of those claims are wrong, and I\u2019d love to discuss them tonight.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: OK, let\u2019s go through some of this, all right. So, the first thing \u2014 and we\u2019re going to talk about the politics, because I\u2019m going to challenge you on whether or not you\u2019re a political operative. I read your \u2014 this is your talking points memo that you have put out that definitely seems to be working, because you have seen people like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio use a lot of the verbiage that you suggest and a lot of the framing that you suggest that they should use in talking about Critical Race Theory. I also watched your video, very highly produced, like, well-produced video, in which you make a lot of claims, some of which I just want to go through very quickly. First of all, I found a couple factual errors. When did you say \u2014 when do you say that Critical Race Theory was created?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: So, critical theory was created in the 1960s.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Well, Critical Race Theory is something different.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: And then Critical Race Theory was based in the late \u201980s\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Well, critical theory is different.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: \u2026 the late 1980s and early 1990s.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: That\u2019s actually not true. So, I went on Harvard University, which is where Critical Race Theory was born, at Harvard Law School. It actually happened in 1981, Professor Derrick Bell and some of his students, including Kimberle Crenshaw. So we have confirmed that. So that\u2019s actually not true. Let me go through one other thing, because you make a lot of allegations, my friend, a lot of allegations. You talk about, particularly in your video, that people, these professors, these professorial types who even acknowledge are academics, that they are looking to do such things as replace equality with equity, which is a conservative charge that \u2014 since I was in high school, they have been saying that \u2014 to ending individual property rights, and even to committing reverse genocide or calling for reversed genocide. I know you\u2019re a filmmaker by trade. You\u2019re a documentary filmmaker.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: No.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Yes, you use the term reverse genocide in your\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>(CROSSTALK)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: No, that\u2019s actually \u2014 no, that\u2019s factually incorrect.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Hold on a second. What \u2014 you did. You did. And so \u2014 I\u2019m not \u2014 we can\u2019t play it, because we\u2019re not going to pay you to play your video.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Sure. But hold on, Joy. You can play the tape.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: But that\u2019s what you talk about. So, wait. What is your evidence? What is your evidence? What is your \u2014 one moment.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: You can play the tape. This is a term \u2014 the term is actually countergenocide.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: One moment. Countergenocide.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: And it comes from \u2014 it comes\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: And what is your evidence of that?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: And it comes from a book called \u201cRethinking Ethnic Studies,\u201d which is rooted in the Critical Race Theory tradition. It\u2019s not my term that I\u2019m loading onto it. I`m simply quoting a book that is cited in California\u2019s model ethnic studies curriculum. I think that\u2019s horrible. You think that\u2019s horrible. We can agree about that. But you can\u2019t misrepresent where it comes from, who is promoting it.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: And model ethnic studies is not Critical Race Theory. Let me go through one other thing. You say that Ibram Kendi, Dr. Ibram Kendi, who is a college professor, you call him the guru of Critical Race Theory. So, we reached out to him. I have interviewed him before. So we reached out to him, because you say he\u2019s the guru of Critical Race Theory. You named him a lot in a lot of your \u2014 both in your manifesto or your talking points memo, but also in your video. We reached out to him. And we asked him, are \u2014 we asked him if he\u2019s a Critical Race Theorist.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>He said: \u201cI admire critical race theory, but I don\u2019t identify as a critical race theorist. I\u2019m not a legal scholar. So I wasn\u2019t trained on Critical Race Theory. I\u2019m a historian. And Chris would know this if he actually read my work or understood that Critical Race Theory is taught in law schools. I didn\u2019t attend law school, which is where Critical Race Theory is taught.\u201d It\u2019s really the only place it\u2019s taught. We \u2014 NBC has looked into everywhere, and it\u2019s not taught in elementary school.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Well\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: But hold on a second. This is the second thing he said, which is strange to me that you\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Well, Joy, let me respond.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Wait. Wait. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I have a question. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: This is not a monologue. This should be a dialogue, right? Am I right?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>(CROSSTALK)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Well, it\u2019s my show, so it\u2019s how I want to do it. So, let me read you one more quote from him, because you have made a lot of claims about Critical Race Theory saying that white Americans are inherently racist, that racism is inherent to whiteness. And that is one of the core charges that you\u2019re making about these sort \u2014 what you consider like sort of woke studies in school. This is what Ibram Kendi has said, in his own words.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>He said: \u201cWe have been taught that racist is essential to who a person is. It\u2019s a fixed category. It\u2019s in someone\u2019s heart. That`s one of the reasons why people are unwilling to or unable to admit the times in which they\u2019re being racist, because it\u2019s not just admitting I was being racist in that moment. Basically, we\u2019re tattooing racist on our forehead for the rest of our lives.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Isn\u2019t that the opposite of what you\u2019re arguing?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Well, I will say two things. First of all, it\u2019s very interesting to me that so many people are now running away from the race of \u2014 the label of Critical Race Theory.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No, that\u2019s \u2014 he\u2019s not a critical race theorist.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>(CROSSTALK)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Hold on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>I`m going to quote two critical race theorists, Barbara Applebaum, with the book \u201cBeing Good, Being White\u201d . She says \u2014 quote \u2014 \u201cAll white people are racist.\u201d Robin DiAngelo, who\u2019s another critical whiteness studies scholar\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: She\u2019s not a critical race theorist. Nope.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: \u2026 says that \u2014 quote \u2014 \u201cAll \u2014 white identity is inherently racist.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: So, what you\u2019re doing is you\u2019re playing a series of word games.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No. No. That\u2019s ironic.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: You know that critical whiteness studies is a subfield of Critical Race Theory.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No, it\u2019s not.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: How these things are all deeply interrelated.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No, they\u2019re not. They\u2019re not. They\u2019re just not.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: And I\u2019m not going to let you play word games. And this is \u2014 this is really, I think, the most essential thing.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: It\u2019s funny. Hold on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Hold on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No, no, no, no. I will not hold on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Let me respond at least once. I haven\u2019t gotten a full sentence out.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No, no, no, because I\u2019m not going to let you \u2014 see, one of the things that you \u2014 and I don\u2019t know. You probably never watched me on TV. Just we didn\u2019t know who each other were not so long ago. But I don\u2019t allow people to just make up and say lies on the show. It\u2019s just not really right to do that and let people hear\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Yes, sure.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: But hold on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: But let me at least get a full sentence in. Am I right or wrong?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Wait. Wait. Wait. Robin DiAngelo is not a critical race theorist. And I want everyone to know that. Robin DiAngelo \u2014 I don\u2019t know who the other woman is. But she\u2019s not. But let\u2019s just go through a minute, because whiteness and racist, whiteness and racist.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Sure.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Where did the term whiteness come from?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Sure. And I think this is an important point.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Sure.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: And I hope you will let me actually get a full paragraph out about this.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Go for it.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Whiteness \u2014 whiteness is the idea that there is some kind of metaphysical category in the world, that all white people are reducible to this essence of whiteness. Then what happens is that they load all of these negative connotations. They say that whiteness is, by definition, that includes white fragility includes white privilege, includes internalized white superiority. And then what they do is, they try to impose these reductive racial categories onto individuals. And I actually agree with Kendi\u2019s approach, I think that we should fight race essentialism. But the problem is that Critical Race Theory enshrines racial centralism. And you see it in schools.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: But you said he is one.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: And I will give you three examples of Critical Race Theory being taught in schools.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No. One \u2014 hold on one second. Wait. Hold on one second. Hold on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: In Cupertino, California \u2014 in Cupertino, California\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No. These are in your talking points. Sir, Chris, these are in your talking points. And I know what you\u2019re going to say, because you said it with Marc Lamont Hill. You repeat these same things. They\u2019re in this manifesto. People can read it online. Let me just go for a second. On the subject of whiteness, are you aware, since you say that I guess you\u2019re \u2014 you\u2019re sort of a quasi-historian in your thinking, that whiteness was actually formed in the United States, that whiteness didn\u2019t even exist as a thing? Europeans were all European. They considered themselves Italian or Polish or whatever. When the colonists came here, they actually created the idea of whiteness. This is from the \u2014 from the Smithsonian.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: I agree with that.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: As a way to distinguish themselves from what they called the savages, the natives, and from black people from Africans, who, even if you had a little African in you, if you\u2019re Plessy, who\u2019s seven-eighths white, if you are African in any aspect, that you are reduced of rights. So, people that you don\u2019t like that are doing this sort of wokeness training, are saying, whiteness has always had power. There used to be a saying: I\u2019m free, white, and 18. It was commonly said in the \u201950s and \u201960s \u2014 \u201940s, \u201950s and \u201960s. So, whiteness has power. So people who don`t \u2014 who want to decouple whiteness from power, that\u2019s what you\u2019re annoyed by, right? Let me play a little bit of what you said. You did a speech.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: No.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Hold on. You did a speech at the Claremont Institute in which you talked a little bit about how you really feel about the academics of it. Here it is.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>This is cut \u2014 I think this is \u2014 is it three? Yes, go for it. Play it.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: I\u2019m a white guy fighting critical race theory.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>QUESTION: Do you identify as white?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: I mean, I\u2019m an Italian American. So, you tell me. \u2026 Lumping people into white, black, Asian, as you suggested, is such a crude and broad categorization.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>There\u2019s these like, very kind of pathetic and very angry graduate students that try to fight me on these highly technical Hegel interpretations. And it\u2019s like, I don`t have time for this. I don\u2019t give a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) about this stuff.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>(END VIDEO CLIP)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: So you don\u2019t give an S about this stuff. You\u2019re really just having a campaign to take everything that annoys white Americans and white conservatives.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: No, that\u2019s not right. No, that\u2019s not right. No.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Hold on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: I mean, you played my highlight reel. You played my highlight reel. Give me a chance to respond.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: You want to make a campaign and stuff everything in there that people will get annoyed\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: No, that\u2019s absolutely wrong.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: And you want to stuff it all into critical race theory, right?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: What I don\u2019t think is right is that forcing 8-year-olds in Cupertino, California, to deconstruct their racial identities\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: That\u2019s not critical race theory.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: \u2026 and then rank themselves according to power and privilege \u2014 power and privilege \u2014 it`s intersectionality theory, which was invented by Kimberle Crenshaw.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: That\u2019s intersectionality. It`s a separate thing. Intersectionality is a separate thing.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Which is part of critical race theory,<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No, it\u2019s not, dear.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: You had her on your show. You know this.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Yes, she \u2014 yes, she invented both things. She invented both things.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: And here\u2019s the bottom line, Joy. What you have done in tonight\u2019s segment is exactly what I\u2019m fighting against.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: One more thing. No.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: I\u2019m fighting against the manipulation of language. I\u2019m fighting against language deconstruction.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Right. You\u2019re fighting against wokeness. And you don\u2019t like corporate wokeness, et cetera. I get it.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: And I\u2019m trying to basically load all of these euphemistic terms with subversive content\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: I get it. Right.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: \u2026 because, otherwise, you just say whatever you want, and then you back away from it, and you dance around it.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Yes. Yes. Yes.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: It\u2019s not going to happen.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Let \u2014 let me \u2014 hold on. Chris\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Parents all over this country, they know what\u2019s happening in schools. They know what\u2019s happening in their public institutions.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: One second, Chris.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: And you\u2019re seeing people revolt against this divisive identity politics.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Yes. That\u2019s\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: And you can dance all you want\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: \u2026 but you\u2019re not going to stop people from understanding what\u2019s happening in their classrooms.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: I actually \u2014 I actually appreciate that you said that, because, Christopher, what you basically \u2014 and you admit it yourself, that you have taken all of these sort of wokeness moments, corporate wokeness, the corporate sort of woke money, woke capital, the things that annoy conservatives, and you have stuffed it all into the name critical race theory.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>It\u2019s really like \u2014 it\u2019s like Christopher Rufo theory. You stuffed it all in.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Here`s what you said.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>You tweeted this: \u201cThe activists\u2026\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Hey, listen, I \u2014 Christopher Rufo\u2019s theory sounds fantastic.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Hold on. Hold on one second.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>I\u2019m going to read you to you, and then you can respond to it. I\u2019m going to read you to you, and then you respond to it.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>\u201cThe activists are realizing that their ideas, once put into practice, are generating discontent,\u201d which as you just described.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: I think that\u2019s true.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: \u201cTheir racial coalition is also breaking apart. Asian Americans in particular are revolting against CRT,\u201d which is really Christopher Rufo theory, because you made it up, \u201cis punishing them more than any other group.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Then you said: \u201cWe have successfully frozen their brand, critical race theory, into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all the various cultural insanities under that brand category.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Yes.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: \u201cThe goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think critical race theory. We have decodified the term and we will recodify to annex the entire range of cultural constructions that are unpopular with Americans.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Aren`t you just taking wokeness stuff that annoys you and calling it critical race theory?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: No, not at all. The idea of the codification and decodification of language comes from the critical pedagogist Paulo Freire. And my strategy is to take these\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Now you`re doing pedagogy, Christopher?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Yes.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Come on.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: To take these techniques and use them against their own ideology. And I will tell you, Joy, my strategy has been enormously successful.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Oh, among conservatives.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: According to \u201cThe Economist\u201d magazine poll, 64 percent of Americans now know what critical race theory is\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: No, they know what Christopher Rufo theory is, Chris.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: \u2026 of which \u2014 of which \u2014 of which \u2014 of which 58 percent\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: They know what you\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: \u2026 of them think that it \u2014 view it\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: You made up your own thing. My friend, you made up your own thing. You admitted you were going to do it.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Let me finish one sentence.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: And I\u2019m going to give you credit for one thing. You did create your own thing. Not a lot of guys in their 30s have created their own thing, labeled it something that already existed as a name, slapped that brand name on it, and turned it into a successful political strategy. You have done that. It\u2019s creating a lot of hell at school board meetings, but you did accomplish that. So, Christopher Rufo, thank you, man. Thank you for being here. Really appreciate you.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: Well, Joy, I appreciate it. And I will give you the position as the most prestigious Christopher Rufo theory scholar in the world.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>(LAUGHTER)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Christopher\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>RUFO: I hope, next time, you give me at least a chance to complete two sentences. I think it would be a lot more fun. But we will try again next time.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>(CROSSTALK)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>REID: Well, not if you\u2019re going to do talking points. 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