{"id":2605237,"date":"2026-05-20T18:14:51","date_gmt":"2026-05-20T22:14:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/read-the-washington-examiners-full-interview-with-tom-homan\/"},"modified":"2026-05-20T18:21:57","modified_gmt":"2026-05-20T22:21:57","slug":"read-the-washington-examiners-full-interview-with-tom-homan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/read-the-washington-examiners-full-interview-with-tom-homan\/","title":{"rendered":"Read the Washington Examiner&#8217;s full interview with Tom Homan"},"content":{"rendered":"<aside class=\"mashsb-container mashsb-main mashsb-stretched\"><div class=\"mashsb-box\"><div class=\"mashsb-count mash-medium\" style=\"&quot;\"><div class=\"counts mashsbcount\">18<\/div><span class=\"mashsb-sharetext\">SHARES<\/span><\/div><div class=\"mashsb-buttons\"><a class=\"mashicon-facebook mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservativenewsdaily.net%2Fbreaking-news%2Fread-the-washington-examiners-full-interview-with-tom-homan%2F\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-twitter mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?text=&amp;url=https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=2605237&amp;via=ConservNewsDly\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-subscribe mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"#\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Subscribe<\/span><\/a><div class=\"onoffswitch2 mash-medium mashsb-noshadow\" style=\"display:none\"><\/div><\/div>\n            <\/div>\n                <div style=\"clear:both\"><\/div><\/aside>\n            <!-- Share buttons by mashshare.net - Version: 4.0.47--><p>The interview centers on Tom Homan-described as the Trump administration\u2019s \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wh-gov-changes-site-to-read-biden-harris-white-house\/\" title=\"Wh.gov changes site to read ...-Harris ...\">border czar<\/a>\u201d-explaining how immigration enforcement and deportations have been carried out since Trump took office. Homan says his portfolio goes beyond border control to include interior enforcement, national security, and the effort against smuggled children he claims were released and not properly tracked under Biden.<\/p>\n<p>He provides figures, arguing arrests are around the mid-600,000s and deportations\/removals exceed 800,000 (and he also cites \u201cself-removals\u201d to claim removals are far higher, in the millions). He frames \u201cself-removal\u201d as part of the plan-using messaging and increased enforcement capacity to pressure people to leave voluntarily rather than remain in the U.S.<\/p>\n<p>Asked about obstacles, Homan points mainly to \u201csanctuary city\u201d policies and what he calls activist or \u201cradical\u201d judges and court orders that delay enforcement actions nationwide. He also discusses practical capacity issues such as transportation (flights funded by what he calls the \u201cBig Lovely Bill\u201d) and detention bed space, describing detention expansion plans and discussions about using a mix of state facilities, federal\/contract facilities, and possible warehouse-style holding-tailored to local conditions.<\/p>\n<p>A ample portion focuses on New York,where he says agreements and cooperation have fallen apart after the city and state moved against certain longstanding cooperation mechanisms (including 287(g) and bed-purchasing).He claims this reduces safe detention options and forces removals to proceed differently,possibly increasing risks for enforcement officers and complicating operations.<\/p>\n<p>Homan addresses concerns about \u201cmass deportations\u201d timing and clarifies that, in his view, the effort is only beginning and will continue through Trump\u2019s term. He argues enforcement is not limited to criminals, but prioritized by public-safety and national-security threats, while still detaining\/removing people he says are in the country illegally even if they are not the initially targeted public-safety cases (\u201ccollateral\u201d arrests).<\/p>\n<p>He also describes a diplomatic role in conflict in Minneapolis, saying he was sent to de-escalate and secured cooperation that allowed ICE access to jails and helped reduce unrest and violence. later, he argues courts and litigation are being used to undermine executive authority, describing repeated appeals and nationwide injunctions\/stays as a persistent barrier.<\/p>\n<p>On due process and ignored orders, he asserts that if people are located after final removal orders, they will be deported, and he rejects the idea that defying court orders is justified. He further argues that many asylum claims are fraudulent and that <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3YuVZYV\" >strong enforcement reduces border harms<\/a> and crime.<\/p>\n<p>he links enforcement strategy to long-term infrastructure-detention capacity, detention planning, border technology, and barriers-and argues that congressional and legislative action is needed to prevent future administrations from undoing current policies. He also comments on crime statistics in D.C., suggesting improvements are coming through DOJ attention and better categorization of \u201ctrue crimes,\u201d and he ends by emphasizing that he believes the administration\u2019s goals (mass deportations, no \u201camnesty,\u201d and improved public safety) are being pursued and supported by internal planning and personnel.  <\/p>\n<p class=\"readmore\">\n    <button onclick=\"showReadMore()\" id=\"readmorebtn\">Read more&#8230;<\/button>\n<\/p>\n<hr id=\"line\">\n<span id=\"more\"><\/p>\n<article class=\"fn-body\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>EXCLUSIVE \u2014<\/strong> White House border czar <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/tag\/tom-homan\">Tom Homan<\/a> is the leading deportations official in the Trump administration and sat down with the <em>Washington Examiner<\/em> on the <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/tag\/white-house\">White House <\/a>campus this week to discuss a slew of related issues, including which illegal immigrants are being targeted for arrest, going after sanctuary cities, Democrats\u2019 role in the partial government shutdown, and crime in Washington, D.C.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Washington Examiner<\/em> homeland security reporter Anna Giaritelli spoke with Homan on Monday, May 18, about his work thus far and where President <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/tag\/donald-trump\">Donald Trump<\/a> intends to take his immigration enforcement plans from here. Below is a transcript of the conversation, which can be found on the <em>Washington Examiner\u2019s<\/em> <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=HMrZrSZ0Orw\">YouTube page<\/a>.<\/p>\n<section class=\"explore-more-section\" id=\"wex-recommended-widget\">\n<div class=\"magazine-container single\">\n<h1 class=\"magazine-title mt-2\">Recommended Stories<\/h1>\n<p>             <i class=\"fa-solid fa-play icon\"><\/i>         <\/div>\n<div class=\"explore-grid\">\n<div class=\"explore-card\">                         <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/news\/white-house\/4576866\/washington-examiner-full-interview-border-czar-tom-homan\/?itm_source=parsely-api\">                             <\/p>\n<div class=\"explore-thumb-wrap\">                                                                                                                                  <\/div>\n<h3>Transcript: Washington Examiner\u2019s full interview with White House border czar Tom Homan<\/h3>\n<p>                         <\/a>                     <\/div>\n<div class=\"explore-card\">                         <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/news\/senate\/4576229\/senate-budget-committee-advance-reconciliation-bill-fund-ice\/?itm_source=parsely-api\">                             <\/p>\n<div class=\"explore-thumb-wrap\">                                                                                                                                  <\/div>\n<h3>Senate Budget Committee advances reconciliation bill to fund ICE<\/h3>\n<p>                         <\/a>                     <\/div>\n<div class=\"explore-card\">                         <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/policy\/immigration\/4574338\/judge-bans-federal-arrests-new-york-immigration-courts\/?itm_source=parsely-api\">                             <\/p>\n<div class=\"explore-thumb-wrap\">                                                                                                                                  <\/div>\n<h3>Judge bans federal arrests at New York immigration courts<\/h3>\n<p>                         <\/a>                     <\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>It\u2019s interesting that you\u2019re the border czar, because it looks like your responsibilities are limited to the border, and that is in really good shape. But you\u2019ve got an incredible amount of stuff under your portfolio right now.<\/p>\n<div class=\"article-paywall\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Yeah, if you look at the president\u2019s original announcement when he brought me back, he had me overseeing the border, immigration enforcement, interior immigration enforcement, national security. I mean, he gave me a pretty large footprint when he announced me. So my first conversations with the president, first of all, I\u2019m honored that I was the first one he brought back, which made me feel really well. But he said, \u2018Secure the border, oversee a mass deportation operation, and find these kids.\u2019 You know there was right around 300,000 children that were smuggled in the country. The Biden administration released them to unvetted, not properly vetted sponsors, they lost track like 300,000. Over 500,000 were smuggled, but they lost track of 300 so he gave me that, too. So right off the bat, I was at three, three tasks right from the beginning, then just the tasks just kept adding.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>Number-wise, where do arrests, illegal immigrant arrests, and deportations stand since Trump took office?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Arrests are around 600,000, 641,000, something like that. Deportations over 800,000 if you know, you\u2019re counting the Border Patrol, too. We\u2019re trying to do the same thing we did during Obama administration, putting the numbers together, but it\u2019s a record number of arrest deportations. We did more in first year in Trump than any here in history, and a lot of people want to compare President Trump to the Eisenhower administration. Look, if you count the self-removals, either through the CBP Home app or those that left, I mean, we\u2019re in millions, you know, over 3 million removals, and some people, you know, argue with me, \u2018You can\u2019t count self removals.\u2019 Oh, really? Because that was a part of the plan from the very beginning. We knew if we surged unlimited ICE resources in the interior, and we do these operations that that will force those that are here illegally to leave on their own, because we sent the messaging out that you can leave, we\u2019ll help you go home, you can leave on your own, but we have to spend the resources to find you, formally deport you, then there\u2019s a statutory bar, you know, anywhere from five to never coming back to United States under the program. So, I was a part of the plan from the very beginning that sent a message to the whole world that there\u2019s no free ride here anymore. And we knew the self-deportations, self-removals would climb at an extraordinary number, and it has, so I think if you look at the number, if we take self removals out, if we still have a record, historic record of the rest of removals, but if you add the self-removals to it, it\u2019s just three times as much as ever happened before.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>What\u2019s been the biggest logistical obstacle to this entire process?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>There\u2019s just no single obstacle. There\u2019s many obstacles. Sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities makes it more difficult for us to our job, right? Rather than one agent arresting one bad guy in a jail, now, and they release them now, rather than calling us, now we gotta send a whole team to look for somebody that don\u2019t want to be found, look for somebody that\u2019s hiding. Not only that, now we got to arrest him on his turf, who has access to who knows what weapons. So the work that could have been one agent, now we got to send six or seven agents. And in areas it gets really bad, like what\u2019s happening in Minneapolis. Now we\u2019ve got to send a security team to back up the arrest team, so you know you got a dozen guys doing the job that could have took one person. So, sanctuary cities, you know, they make us less efficient, but they\u2019re not gonna stop us. We\u2019re going to keep doing the job. Another thing, another obstacle\u2019s the courts, you got radical judges, district court judges, judges are either issuing stays or temporary restraining orders, and they\u2019re issuing nationwide, which I think Supreme Court already addressed that, but they\u2019re ignoring that, so radical judges, sanctuary cities, I mean, that\u2019s the two biggest obstacles.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI:<\/strong> What about logistically, is getting planes, because ICE only, I think, leased about 13, and now they\u2019re trying to increase?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Yeah, well, the Big Beautiful Bill gave us, you know, unprecedented amount of transportation money, so we\u2019re getting the flights we want now. There\u2019s gonna be a bigger demand now, as we\u2019re bring in 10,000 more agents out, there will be a bigger demand, but we\u2019re ahead of that already. So transportation, heavily funded. Detention, I mean, we\u2019re at about right around 68 to 70,000 beds now. We need to get to 100,000 because the plan from beginning, get 100,000, you know, get 100,000 beds, average length in detention\u2019s 30 to 40 days, that equals over a million removals. So there\u2019s a lot of work being done right now in the detention planning. I\u2019ve been working real close with Markwayne Mullin and the White House on the detention plan. What\u2019s your overall plan look like?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI:<\/strong> And I spoke with some sources at CBP and the DHS about what that looks like, and using the state facilities, the state run ones like Alligator Alcatraz, some of them, but phasing out others, and using some warehouses, but not using others. This sounds like Secretary Mullin has been reevaluating what his predecessor had gone into to more of a stable, sensible approach.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019re looking at a mix of different, you know, some state facilities, some that we own, some that we contract, but it\u2019s a different situation every area of the country, right? So, we got just recently got New York, signed legislation that not only ended the 287(g) programs, but now we can\u2019t even buy a bed from the local sheriff, so we arrest somebody that\u2019s in a county in New York, we have no bed, so which means we got to fly that person out, so we\u2019re trying to locate facilities where it\u2019s more efficient to hold people in the local area, so you know there\u2019s going to be a combination, you know, a lot of pushback from warehouses, warehouses are not off the table, it\u2019s being discussed, some place don\u2019t make sense, some place it may not, depending on, you know, what\u2019s available for us with the wraparound water, electricity, can the local community sustain it? So we\u2019re working through those issues now. So the plan isn\u2019t final yet, but we\u2019re really close.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI:<\/strong> Okay, I want to bring up New York, since you mentioned it. You had appeared on Fox last February with the mayor, Eric Adams, and said you had agreed at a, came to an agreement on cooperating. I wanted to see is New York City cooperating with ICE detainer requests.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN:<\/strong> No, me and Mayor Adams had an agreement, he was going to get me back into Rikers Island, which we\u2019ve been kicked out of a long time. He wrote an executive order to get me back in. Of course, the city council immediately shut it down, and that never happened. Of course, new mayor is not helping us at all, and like I said, I met with Governor Hochul about two months ago, went to Albany to meet with her and we talked about a lot of things, and we talked about a lot of discussion about what happened in Minneapolis, and I told her the way we came out of a good spot in Minneapolis was that we got cooperation from every county jail in the state, in some form or fashion, state prison system, we got the local police to respond to our calls when agents were overwhelmed and being attacked. We got the local sheriff to respond to the federal building when those protests were becoming violent. So we came out with unprecedented cooperation. That helps. I explained to her again, it\u2019s safer for the community, safer for the officer, and safer for the alien if we can arrest him in the safety and security of a jail. When you release them to the street, if you got to send an old team out and I explained in Minneapolis, what could have been done by one agent, now we got 12, 13, people out there, because the security posture, and she clearly understood it, but later she decided that she\u2019s going to end all 287(g) agreements, and passed legislation that we can\u2019t even rent a bed. And I don\u2019t know how that helps the community because as soon as we arrest an illegal alien in the state of New York, we\u2019re going to put them on a plane and move them out of state, away from their families, away from what they have there, because we have to. I also said, and she calls it, she said, it was a threat. It\u2019s not a threat. When I lose those 287(g) programs, I lose those jails, that means I\u2019ve got to send more officers into the street to look for more people you released. And so there\u2019ll be more agents there, that isn\u2019t a threat, that\u2019s a law enforcement response to a decision they made to make our job more dangerous and less efficient.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>When will you start that? Have you already started that? Is New York expecting some sort of crackdown or?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>I\u2019m working on a plan, I\u2019m not going to tell you when it\u2019s going to happen, but I don\u2019t want to give too much notice, because safety of our officers. Yeah, I\u2019m currently working on something.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>I want to hit on when I hit on Bavino and the 100 million, but first I want to ask about 2024 you\u2019d shared this is you\u2019re going to run the biggest deportation force this country has ever seen. A couple weeks ago at the border security expo, you said mass deportations are coming. I think there, and the public, there\u2019s confusion about has it already come and it\u2019s over, is it still coming?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>No, no, no, no. We just started. We just had, the first year\u2019s a historic year, and we\u2019re going to continue. President Trump committed in the four years he\u2019s in office, we\u2019re going to enforce immigration law at unprecedented levels, and it\u2019s happening. Now a lot of people point that the numbers are down by 12% right now. Well, the government\u2019s shut down, you know, ICE agents, Border Patrol agents, and what\u2019s really hurting us is the contractor people, the people, the smart people that run all these different database checks. I can\u2019t get into the weeds on it because law enforcement sensitive who provide our targeting. Here\u2019s where you, here\u2019s where you may want to find somebody that won\u2019t want to be found based on all kinds of database runs, so that slowed down tremendously, because they weren\u2019t getting paid, so you know it\u2019s numbers are down slightly, but and I know there\u2019s a lot of noise out there about you shouldn\u2019t be just concentrating on criminals, you ought to be arresting everybody, but we are, I don\u2019t know why people don\u2019t understand, just because you <a href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/tom-homan-touts-record-800000-deportations\/\" title=\"Tom ... touts ... 800,000 ...s\">prioritize public safety threats doesn\u2019<\/a>t mean you arrest somebody else\u2019s. If you\u2019ve got a public safety threat here to anon, you know, a non public safety. He has to go first. That\u2019s just common sense, he\u2019s the biggest danger to community. I looked at the numbers just this morning. I look at numbers every morning. We\u2019re about 62% criminal, 38% noncriminal. So let\u2019s say 60-40, 60 criminal, 40 noncriminal. I think that\u2019s a pretty good mix. Would 40% criminal and 60% noncriminal be better? No. So the numbers prove, the numbers prove within itself that we\u2019re arresting noncriminals, and I say the first year number is a record, and we\u2019re continuing to do on that record, but President Trump has committed: mass deportations and no amnesty.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>The difference under Biden or Obama, where they were doing priority enforcements, they weren\u2019t picking up collateral arrests, they were just saying we\u2019re here for the criminal, everyone else in the house is not a criminal, we don\u2019t care whereas now you\u2019re saying if we come in looking for this known criminal and find 10 other people who are in the country illegally?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>They\u2019re all going. You\u2019re in the country illegally, you got a problem, and that\u2019s why you know these people say, well, the collateral arrests are too high, I mean, the left, the Democrats, a lot of collateral arrests, but I got no problem. If they want me to put me in a position to arrest more collaterals. Okay, fine. The problem I had with, the only problem I had with it, it\u2019s just more dangerous for officers, and you know, I\u2019ve buried Border Patrol agents and buried ICE agents. I don\u2019t want to bury anyone else, so if I can get an operation that\u2019s safe for their officers, that\u2019s where I\u2019m at.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI:<\/strong> I heard you were at the funeral in Buffalo last week, and it reminds you that this is life and death every day.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN:<\/strong> Yes, here\u2019s a young man, you know, serving in uniform, and went up with Ron Vitiello of CBP, and here\u2019s another folded flag being handed to the widow with two small little girls of age five and seven, and you know it\u2019s sad, it\u2019s emotional. At the same time, I was angry because then I see the news where they\u2019re showing the video of Chuck Schumer standing on the House floor, saying no one likes ICE and Border Patrol, they got no respect, and mine\u2019s just buried one. It\u2019s disgusting how far the Democratic Party has gone to protect illegal aliens and attack the men and women that wear the gun and badge. It\u2019s just, it\u2019s just ridiculous.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>Let\u2019s talk about what happened this weekend at the Nationals game. There was a man who pulled out a sign, and it said something about deporting 100 plus million people, and that\u2019s a number that Greg Bovino has been touting in media interviews, so I just want to ask, are there 100 million people in this country illegally?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN:<\/strong> I don\u2019t believe so. No, I mean, I\u2019ve known this since 1984. You\u2019re a journalist, look up every think tank, conservative think tank on their studies, and there\u2019s numerous ones out there, they run around, you know, the highs run 20, 25 million. I saw one at 31 million. I\u2019ve never seen 100,000, 100 million in my career so I doubt that number\u2019s correct, but I don\u2019t know what he\u2019s based on, that number on. I don\u2019t know where Greg got that number from.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>Do you think it\u2019s the White House\u2019s responsibility to set the record straight? I know it\u2019s kind of hard because you don\u2019t want to respond to someone like Bovino, who\u2019s out there doing press.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Well, look, what I\u2019m trying to do is not divide the administration. I\u2019m not \u2013 We\u2019re falling into Democrats\u2019 hands right now. \u2026 Look, we\u2019re putting out numbers, we\u2019re putting out stats, and ICE, what people need to understand is I work for the President. My job is to perform within a framework provided to me by the president of the United States. He decides what we do and how we do it, and based on the numbers himself, people want to argue whether deportation needed more. I agree. I want more deportations. Let\u2019s face it. I mean, I don\u2019t know anybody in this country hated more than me. I\u2019ve been sued 1,000 times, whether separating families or violating these constitutional rights, whatever. Right, you look at, you know, actually, my chief of staff looked at the numbers just two weeks ago. I\u2019ve overseen more deportations than any man in the history of this country.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>You were awarded in 2015 by President Obama.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>To include the Eisenhower administration. We were. I\u2019ve overseen removals of millions upon millions. I\u2019ve been sued 1,000 times. I\u2019ve been called racist and Nazis. I got death threats against me and my family. I got 24\/7 security detail because of death threats. Tom Homan, anybody thinks I\u2019m light on immigration enforcement, they\u2019re out of touch with reality. I take a lot of hate for this job, and I take the hate because I believe in what we\u2019re doing, but there\u2019s a right way and wrong way to do things, and so I\u2019m not going to get into a war with anybody. Mr. Bovino, a first responder, you know, Greg served his country, I think, like three decades. I wish him well in retirement, you know, he wore that badge and gun put himself in danger, and I want him to, you know, enjoy his retirement, it\u2019s well-deserved, well-earned, but I\u2019m not going to get in back and forth with people that you know disagree with the president on what we\u2019re doing. I work for president.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>There does seem to be from my, my position, I think the public is confused about if deportations are where they stand, is it? Because after Minneapolis, things are quiet, and so it makes me wonder, does the White House or DHS, could you be doing more messaging?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Absolutely. I just had a meeting this morning about that. If you remember, and when I first came in, I said, I said there\u2019s several interviews, I\u2019ve seen recently people are pulling again, and I said we need to be transparent, because my concern was if we\u2019re not transparent, show the American people what we\u2019re doing, who we\u2019re arresting, then we\u2019ll lose faith of the American people on immigration enforcement and historic level. We got to be transparent. I just had a meeting this morning, Secretary Mullin, is committed to putting stats on a more regular basis, which wasn\u2019t being done prior to. I know the stats, because I read them every morning. Every morning on the way to work, I sit in the back seat and read 22 pages of data every day. There\u2019s no reason we shouldn\u2019t be sharing that with American people, and I think Markwayne Mullin\u2019s working on that, along with the White House.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI:<\/strong> That\u2019s great. Some Republicans have also been soft on enforcement when it comes to business interests and arresting workers, and I want to see how are you dealing with pressure from the Mass Deportation Coalition, Heritage, more conservatives, even NICE, the organization, want to see things really ratchet up, and there\u2019s just some pull between conservatives on what that needs to look like. Do you go after everyone or?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Well, we are after everyone, but again, you got to prioritize those who are biggest threats to our national security, public safety, and again the numbers show that. Am I happy with the numbers right now? No, I want more, too. Even though numbers are historic, I want more, especially now we\u2019re hiring 10,000 new agents. We do more, but look, I worked for Heritage Foundation for a while, and they got some bright minds over there, and actually I reviewed their paper, they got some great ideas in it, but you know, about 70% of those ideas were already implemented, and I think there\u2019s more work to be done, but I appreciate it, I\u2019m not one who sits back, \u2018How dare you question me,\u2019 I mean, I\u2019m not the smartest guy on the planet. Some of the best ideas I got from somebody else, so I want to read their thoughts. And I did read their playbook, over 100 pages. Again, a lot of it we\u2019re already doing, some of it is tough, and some of it, you know, maybe we can go there. So, you know, again, this is discussions that I\u2019m having with the president about the way forward, and I appreciate the input. We may not agree 100% of it, but there\u2019s smart minds out there. I want to hear from them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>Do you intend to crack down on sanctuary cities? There\u2019s been a lot of stuff floated.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>I want to, I want to and the Department of Justice. I just met with Todd Blanche last week. There are lawsuits pending against sanctuary cities, more coming. We just got to hope Department of Justice and the courts agree with us. What they\u2019re doing is illegal, and hold them accountable. So, I\u2019ve been fighting sanctuary cities for the last 20 years. I think we got an attorney, acting Attorney General, now that\u2019s going to take it seriously. And again, I just met them last weekend, I said, \u2018Where are we at?\u2019 And he sat down with me and told me different laws, we found different places, and more to come. So I\u2019m hoping this administration, for once and for all, can find a court that will actually enforce the law, federal statute, that what they\u2019re doing is illegal.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Demonstrators hold signs during a rally against federal immigration enforcement at Federal Courthouse Plaza on Tuesday, Jan. 27, 2026, in Minneapolis. (AP Photo\/Adam Gray)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>What struck me was when you went to Minneapolis, you took a very diplomatic approach. You\u2019re known as being hotheaded, saying what you think, and when you went to Minneapolis, you took, you were meeting with people, I mean, group after group, activists, you know, religious groups, the city, the state, and you managed to broker these deals to get ICE in jails and prisons, and that was very diplomatic. So, I wonder if diplomacy isn\u2019t something that you would also consider to talk to. It sounds like you have been.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>You can\u2019t fix the problem if you don\u2019t understand what the opposition is thinking, and first of all, when Minnesota came out, I get a call early in the morning from President Trump, and he says, \u2018I need you in Minnesota, I need you to fix this.\u2019 I says, \u2018When,\u2019 he says, \u2018Today.\u2019 So I was on a plane several hours later. I didn\u2019t ask for Minnesota. I was sent there to deescalate and fix the problem. So, knowing the hate was going on, the attacks on ICE officers, all the videos coming out, I said, \u2018Well, OK, I need to meet with Mayor Frey and find out what makes him tick.\u2019 Why aren\u2019t you letting the police respond to our calls to 911? Why won\u2019t you give us this person the safety and security of a jail? I\u2019m talking about county jails now, rather than release them to the street. Now, instead of sending one guy to your jail, I got to send 13 guys to your neighborhood, which raises the temperature in the neighborhood. If you got five or six little teams out there, the temperature rises, and I have no problem with people protesting, but that small percentage that cross a line become agitators and assault our officers. I mean, so I went up there as the president directed me to de-escalate and find a solution. So I went there, talked to Mayor Frey, I talked to the Governor, I talked to the Attorney General, and there was people who wanted to know why would you meet with those people? Why would I not?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>Because it seemed to work.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>You got to know what. Will I agree with Mayor Frey on anything politically, absolutely not. But can I get something? And what we got was, you know, there was protesters were putting roadblocks up in the middle of the city, trying to stop us from doing that. I went to the Mayor says, \u2018Is this not illegal? Is it against city, city statute? Is it illegal?\u2019 And police chief was there and says \u2018Yeah.\u2019 \u2018Why don\u2019t you enforce it? Because this is going to cause an escalation when ICE officers are certainly not going to be stopped by some rogue group of people can put roadblocks up. I said there is an escalation point, which is going to end, possibly in violence. You can prevent that by stopping the illegal activity of these people.\u2019 Same thing with the governor. We talked about sanctuaries. I said, you know, we\u2019re out there targeting a lot of bad people, public safety threats. If we were to get them in the safety and security of one of your prisons or your jail, that\u2019s less officers out there looking for this person, which again, safer for the community, safer for the agents, even safer for the alien kids. Anything can happen in a street arrest. And I met with the AG, meaning the AG again, not going to agree on a lot, but we got him to tell us legally there\u2019s nothing to prevent a sheriff, even though they can only honor detainers for convicted felons, legally, but when I asked him, I said, \u2018Okay, is there anything illegal? Don\u2019t honor detainer, call us before you release them. Make a phone call, you don\u2019t have to hold them one minute past you would normally hold, just call us. Is anything illegal about that?\u2019 \u2018No.\u2019 A lot of sheriffs found that out, and they, \u2018OK, well, we were afraid but,\u2019 you know, now we got the sheriff\u2019s got a little leeway with us. So we came out with some great agreements, and you know, the over 4,000 people arrested during the operation. We still got a lot of people out there investigating the fraud, and we\u2019ll continue doing that, but you know that was a win, and I know a lot of people say, \u2018Oh, we surrendered.\u2019 We didn\u2019t surrender. We came out of an operation safer for the community, safer for the agents, and we came out with de-escalation, as I was instructed to do with agreements, as I was instructed to do. President Trump\u2019s a smart man, he gets it, and if I was asked to do it again, I\u2019ll do it again. <\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>It was, it was having been in Minneapolis myself, I was stunned by how quickly I was really impressed. How quickly things came down, because it was uncomfortable being there. I want to ask you about the federal courts and judges, which you\u2019ve mentioned blocking immigration enforcement and deportation flights. Do you feel the judiciary is being used as a political tool to nullify the executive branch\u2019s constitutional authority?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>You said it better than I could. Yes, yes, it\u2019s frustrating. I mean, we got to constantly appeal up to the court chain, and what makes me really frustrated is Supreme Court ruled on district court judges doing nationwide injunctions, and they\u2019re still doing so. We gotta go back again and again and again. It\u2019s, I\u2019ve never seen so many activist judges, and again, which adds to the 12% decline in arrest, right? It\u2019s not just the government being shut down, and the government shut down a lot because of Minneapolis. Right, lawmakers got angry. I was up on Capitol Hill, my chief of staff, to a dozen different meetings with Democrats and Republicans, and everything they threw out was about Minneapolis, about, you know, masks, about identifiers, about body cameras, about warrantless arrests, about roving patrols. <\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I mean, so, you know, having the government shut down, having all these TROs and stays issued by these radical judges, that\u2019s a part of the reason the rest of that we weren\u2019t dealing with in beginning the administration, but look, they\u2019re well planned, ACLU is huge, they got a hell of a lot more attorneys than the government does, so we\u2019re fighting the best we can, again, we got an acting attorney general, I think is doing a great job, we\u2019re trying to add more resources to the immigration courts and the DOJ to fight all these ridiculous lawsuits and stays and temporary restraining orders. It\u2019s hard to believe that we\u2019re getting so much pushback in just enforcing federal law. We\u2019re, no, ICE isn\u2019t making this up. We\u2019re enforcing laws enacted by Congress. That\u2019s what I told during the during the negotiation on the Hill, I said I am not going to sit here and give up any policy, any statutory authority that ICE and Border Patrol has. We\u2019re enforcing laws you wrote. I said, if you don\u2019t like what ICE\u2019s doing, change the law. I\u2019m not going to agree to give up any of our authorities for you to give us money through the appropriations process, which has never been happened before. Do your job and change the law, so they walked away with nothing, and we\u2019ll get the reconciliation bill passed, and they got nothing, and so you know, soon as we get through these courts, and we\u2019ll win them, it\u2019s just the process has to go all the way up now, and we\u2019re winning a vast majority of them, so soon as these, these, the process continues, it\u2019s a slow, ridiculous process. You go to court, and you go to the appellate court, and you go to circuit court, and you go to, I mean, it\u2019s, it takes a while, but we\u2019re on the right track, but right now, the courts, the activists judges, thousands of lawsuits, the, these left, leftist activist attorneys are being funded at an extraordinary rate. There\u2019s no lack of funding for protesters. There\u2019s no lack of funding for these activist attorneys that take us to court every\u00a0 singleday, but we\u2019re going to fight it. I said numbers are slightly down, but there\u2019s a plan, get them back up and even higher. We have, like I said, we got 1,000 more agents coming on. I\u2019m busy with White House planning team now to look at other things to go not work around these injunctions, but wait, we get the job done while the injunctions are playing the way through court. We\u2019ll get it done.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>So the media focuses heavily on sympathetic individual cases, and most of these individuals that they\u2019re focused on have had hearings, they have been ordered removed, oftentimes in absentia, and simply don\u2019t leave, and so at what point does ignoring a court order become the real due process issue?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Well, when we find them, we\u2019re going to deport them, they can ignore the order we all that want. I was asked this question last week.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>Sort of like a double standard.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN:<\/strong> I was asked this question last week with this person has been here 20 years, has two USC kids, why deport her? I said she has an order of deportation. She had due process from our system laws. Do I not follow the judge\u2019s order? Is the message we want to send to the whole world that you can enter the country illegally, it\u2019s a crime, but don\u2019t worry about it. We\u2019ll give you due process at great taxpayer expense, but when you already \u2026 don\u2019t worry about it. You\u2019re never going to fix it. We have to be a nation of laws, and there has to be consequences. So, when I asked the reporter, I said, so I should not follow the judge\u2019s order. Do you think the FBI should follow a judge\u2019s order, DEA, ATF, should they follow a judge\u2019s order? I know a judges\u2019 order against you and I and we ignore it, we\u2019re going to go to jail, so no, they had due process. Look, immigration enforcement has always been controversial, it\u2019s always been emotional. I get it, I get it, but let\u2019s remember people say, well, they\u2019re just an illegal alien. OK. But they cheated the system, they came to the country illegally, which was as a crime, put themselves in front of the line ahead of millions of people that are taking their tests, paying their fees, doing a background investigations. How about those people, right?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>And what about when you do, let\u2019s say, you come over the border legally, you seek asylum, which is legal to do that, but you were ordered to, you\u2019re ordered removed. By seeking asylum, you\u2019re accepting, theoretically that, hey, I might not be allowed to stay here, and I need to be okay with the consequence, and it\u2019s like we\u2019re seeing people are not willing to accept that when they are ordered removed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Exactly. And let\u2019s remember 90% of people claim asylum at the border end up with order removal, and I did the Bill Maher show a while ago, and we talked about stuff like this, I say, so how about under Biden administration had millions of people come to the border, many of them claim asylum. I said, so they clog up the asylum system on fraudulent asylum claims, because they\u2019re taught by the cartels what to say. They\u2019ll get released. How about the thousands upon thousands of people in the world that really are escaping fear and persecution and need our assistance here in this country, they\u2019re sitting in the back of the bus, you know. You know, I understand the emotional part of this. I understand, and immigration enforcement can be, you know, unpopular and sad in many instances. Well, law enforcement itself, I\u2019ve done a lot of, I\u2019ve seen a lot of sad things in my career. It doesn\u2019t mean you don\u2019t enforce law, and look what we\u2019ve done. Illegal immigration is down 96% right now. Here\u2019s what people don\u2019t want to talk about. Under Biden administration, over 10 million people came to border, that we know of released in the country.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>And I\u2019ll fact check you and say that\u2019s accurate. 5.3 million were released.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN:<\/strong> Think about that. And you\u2019re down a lot of times, you know, and I know that 70% of the Border Patrol many times were off the line because they\u2019re changing diapers, making baby formula, making hospitals, doing this, dealing with humanitarian crisis, as you know, and whether it was Eagle Pass or El Paso or Rio Grande Valley, there were weeks, there wasn\u2019t a single agent on the line, hundreds of miles of border, not a Border Patrol agent on the line patrolling, because it was, because they had to deal with the overcrowding.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI:<\/strong> I would drive down in certain parts near Del Rio, and people were just running across.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN:<\/strong> Exactly, think about that. Now you, you\u2019ve seen the studies, how many women make that journey through cartels get sexual assaulted? 31%.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI:<\/strong> I\u2019ve seen the trees. Yea.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN:<\/strong> So when President Trump has 96, I think it\u2019s 96.7% less people coming, how many women aren\u2019t being raped? How many children aren\u2019t dying?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI:<\/strong> How do you continue that into 2029. Let\u2019s say, if a progressive Democrat is elected.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>That\u2019s the problem. The problem is, and that\u2019s why Congress needs to get off their butts and do something. They need to enshrine this stuff into law, because what\u2019s stopping the next Joe Biden from coming to office or undoing everything we did. That\u2019s why it\u2019s important. I\u2019m pushing real hard on building the detention framework. The infrastructure is going to last us for decades. They can\u2019t take away from us. That\u2019s why we need to finish that border wall and all the technology that goes through that wall. So it\u2019s there. We got to, we got to use the big beautiful bill money right now to build the infrastructure we\u2019re going to need for decades, because you know, God help us. You know, I think the whole reason Democrats are mad is because we\u2019re ruining their <a href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/inside-the-gop-plan-to-oppose-bidens-iran-deal\/\" title=\"Inside the GOP Plan to Oppose ...\u2019s Iran Deal\">long-term plans<\/a>. They knew if they released millions of people into United States and they could flood sanctuary cities they\u2019ll be counted in the next census, because you also overturned Trump census rule, right? So millions of people counted in these sanctuary cities, which means what, more seats in House for the Dems. First of all, they also think their future Democratic voters, now we\u2019re arresting and removing in record numbers, they\u2019re angry because plans falling apart. So that\u2019s why we got to keep the mass deportation machine moving. We got to get rid of many of these people as we can, because they\u2019re not supposed to be in them one day in the country illegally. We got over 1.4 million illegal aliens with final orders. We got to find them, remove them. Over 700,000 are executable final orders, which means they have no appeals. We got over close to 700,000 illegal aliens with criminal convictions walking the streets. We got to find them, so that\u2019s why we\u2019re working so hard at, we know, and I think the Democrats, they\u2019ve been fighting harder for illegal aliens by shutting down the government than they care about the men and women carrying the badge and gun that are enforcing the laws they wrote. So, we got as much as we can done. Personally, I think we\u2019ll have, when President Trump\u2019s administration done, I think the Republicans will still be in power. I think the American people see what we\u2019re doing, making this country safe again, crime rates on all-time low, because things President Trump\u2019s doing. We have the most secure border in the history of the United States ever. I think I think you put all the, all the crap aside that the fake media wants to put out, you actually look at what\u2019s been achieved. I think we\u2019re going to be around a while. <\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>The other thing is, even though in 1970 the border apprehensions were slightly lower, you didn\u2019t have any of the barrier, the technology, the agents in numbers.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN:<\/strong> We couldn\u2019t count them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI:<\/strong> Yeah, you exactly. Good point.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN:<\/strong> We have better systems, we have better technology on border, we actually count. So when I was a Border Patrol agent back in 1984 you know, 85 whether I\u2019m Border Patrol agent in Campbell, California, huge areas, I mean, one agent\u2019s got to cover 20 miles of water, you have no idea what you missed. Now we have better technology, whether it\u2019s aerostats or drones, or that\u2019s where you can see across most of the border now, and places where there\u2019s a blind spot, we\u2019re putting technology there, so I think by the time President Trump\u2019s administration done, we\u2019ll have about every foot of wall we plan to put in the ground, put in the dirt, we have a technology built because it\u2019s a smart wall, it\u2019s just not about wall, it\u2019s about technology and that wall, and it\u2019ll be all be done, because Rodney Scott, the commissioner of CBP, who\u2019s actually a personal friend of mine. Also, is doing an amazing job in getting that wall up and that technology done.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Washington Metropolitan Police Department officers block the streets around the White House during an investigation of a suspicious vehicle, Wednesday, March 11, 2026, in Washington. (AP Photo\/Alex Brandon)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>I wanted to talk about crime generally in places like DC, Chicago, New York. You know, I\u2019m a violent crime survivor myself in DC. I was sexually assaulted on the street near the Capitol randomly in daylight, and he was arrested and released the following day. And then he went on to be arrested five more times and was released all five times before he went to prison. He\u2019s out of prison, but the stat was never counted in DC police stats, and I think because it\u2019s the way the DC police explained it to me, is they\u2019re not counting stats that are not first degree and some second degree, and so if the president wants to address crime, and he\u2019s done a lot over the past year, is there anything you can do? I\u2019ve started a <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.change.org\/p\/demand-accurate-crime-stats-in-democrat-cities\">Change.org petition<\/a> to push, to demand for specific stats from not just DC, but Democrat cities where they\u2019re doing the same thing. Is there anything more you can do in DC, in particular, because of the authority to force DC to do more? We just saw the video over the weekend. I don\u2019t know if you saw in Navy Yard, crime just continues, and the mayor seems indifferent.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Well, I think between DOJ and I\u2019ve had discussions with Judge Pirro, I think we\u2019re going to see DC fixed when it comes to that. I think the \u2026 gonna take an interest in it. You got to have true crimes with crime statistics. I think the president\u2019s pushing for that. I think your case has been giving some notoriety to the White House and to DC. So, I think we\u2019re going to be a lot better place because you\u2019re standing up and bringing this to people\u2019s attention, and I think it\u2019s just the start of fixing the broken system.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>If you\u2019re interested in signing our <a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"https:\/\/www.change.org\/p\/demand-accurate-crime-stats-in-democrat-cities\">petition<\/a>, we certainly, I certainly would welcome it. But I understand. That is all I have. Is there anything else you\u2019d like to add?<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Look, you know, I want the people to know that I speak with the president, or I\u2019m with the president a lot. There\u2019s a lot of argument within the world that are we keeping our promise, and I\u2019m telling you, I\u2019m surrounded by great minds every day. Steve Miller, the architect, brilliant. The head of ICE, Todd, just retired. God bless Todd. Todd did a great job. And right now, Dave Rall (?) is acting. Dave trained me. I worked for Dave a long time ago. Dave knows immigration enforcement very well. Rodney Scott did a great job. \u2026 doing a great job. When it comes to immigration, the immigration portfolio under President Trump, he\u2019s got some really smart minds, and we got our nose to the grindstone, and we\u2019re doing it. Ignore the left media, who wants to compare ICE to racists, and ignore the media that our detention centers are are filthy, and you know we got the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/trump-preparing-to-send-30000-illegal-immigrants-to-gitmo-washington-examiner\/\" title=\"... preparing to send 30,000 ... to Gitmo - ...\">highest detention standards<\/a> in the industry, but they don\u2019t want to be detained, so they\u2019re gonna make up all the stories they want. Cause they don\u2019t want to be detained, they want detention to end. Well, look, President Trump committed to mass deportations, so that\u2019s what they\u2019re gonna get. He committed to no amnesty, and that\u2019s what they\u2019re gonna get. He committed to make these countries safe again. And look, you look at numbers with, you know, total of 800,000 out of the country or even if you go by 3 million counting self-deportations, if you take 60% of that, that are criminals, hundreds of thousands of public safety threats have been removed from this country. Name another president who\u2019s done that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>And over four years that 800,000 would be over 3 million, so it gets at your millions that you\u2026<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>People we put our hands on, and if 60% them remain criminal, think of how many bad people we got out of the country.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>GIARITELLI: <\/strong>And those are just criminal histories in the U.S. since we don\u2019t know. \u2026<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>HOMAN: <\/strong>Good point, I\u2019m glad you mentioned that, because we don\u2019t know in a lot of these countries, we don\u2019t access their criminal database. We don\u2019t know what they did in El Salvador or China or Russia. We don\u2019t know. 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