{"id":2493111,"date":"2025-09-30T21:09:02","date_gmt":"2025-10-01T01:09:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/epic-exchange-hawley-presses-witness-on-two-spirit-people-during-testy-senate-hearing\/"},"modified":"2025-09-30T21:10:01","modified_gmt":"2025-10-01T01:10:01","slug":"epic-exchange-hawley-presses-witness-on-two-spirit-people-during-testy-senate-hearing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/epic-exchange-hawley-presses-witness-on-two-spirit-people-during-testy-senate-hearing\/","title":{"rendered":"Epic exchange: Hawley presses witness on \u2018two spirit people\u2019 during testy Senate hearing"},"content":{"rendered":"<aside class=\"mashsb-container mashsb-main mashsb-stretched\"><div class=\"mashsb-box\"><div class=\"mashsb-count mash-medium\" style=\"float:left\"><div class=\"counts mashsbcount\">26<\/div><span class=\"mashsb-sharetext\">SHARES<\/span><\/div><div class=\"mashsb-buttons\"><a class=\"mashicon-facebook mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservativenewsdaily.net%2Fbreaking-news%2Fepic-exchange-hawley-presses-witness-on-two-spirit-people-during-testy-senate-hearing%2F\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-twitter mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?text=&amp;url=https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=2493111&amp;via=ConservNewsDly\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-subscribe mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"#\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Subscribe<\/span><\/a><div class=\"onoffswitch2 mash-medium mashsb-noshadow\" style=\"display:none\"><\/div><\/div>\n            <\/div>\n                <div style=\"clear:both\"><\/div><\/aside>\n            <!-- Share buttons by mashshare.net - Version: 4.0.47--><p>The article reports on a contentious senate Judiciary Committee hearing where Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) confronted Gregory Jackson Jr., a former Biden white House gun violence adviser.The dispute centered on a policy report from the Community Justice Action Fund, wich Jackson advises. The report recommends reallocating funds away from police departments toward <a href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/portland-police-will-pay-nearly-700000-to-former-official-who-pushed-to-defund-them\/\" title=\"Portland ... to pay nearly 0K to ex-official advocating defunding.\">community-led initiatives<\/a>, including &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3YuVZYV\" >safe space programs led<\/a> by lesbian, gay, bisexual, two-spirit, trans, and gender nonconforming people.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Hawley questioned Jackson repeatedly about the term &#8220;two-spirit people,&#8221; which Jackson admitted he did not fully understand. The exchange became heated as Hawley criticized Jackson and the report for advocating cuts to police funding and investing in what he deemed vague or unclear programs. Hawley emphasized his opposition to defunding the police, citing his own efforts to reduce homicides and his personal experience as a shooting survivor.<\/p>\n<p>Jackson, who has a background in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/senate-judiciary-chairman-says-gun-control-is-top-priority\/\" title=\"...ate Judiciary Chairman Says Gun Control Is \u2018Top Priority\u2019\">gun violence prevention<\/a> and advises community-based initiatives, defended such programs. The hearing highlighted the deep partisan divide over how to address crime and public safety, especially the debate around police funding and alternative community interventions. <br \/> <!DOCTYPE html><br \/>\n<?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><html><body><\/p>\n<p class=\"readmore\">\n    <button onclick=\"showReadMore()\" id=\"readmorebtn\">Read more&#8230;<\/button>\n<\/p>\n<hr id=\"line\">\n<span id=\"more\"><\/p>\n<p><?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><\/p>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><span class=\"tdb-mobile-menu-button\"><i class=\"tdb-mobile-menu-icon td-icon-mobile\"><\/i><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><span class=\"tdb-header-search-button-mob dropdown-toggle\" data-toggle=\"dropdown\"><i class=\"tdb-mobile-search-icon td-icon-search\"><\/i><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><span class=\"tdb-mobile-menu-button\"><i class=\"tdb-mobile-menu-icon td-icon-mobile\"><\/i><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<div class=\"tdb-drop-down-search\" aria-labelledby=\"td-header-search-button\">\n<div class=\"tdb-drop-down-search-inner\">\n<form method=\"get\" class=\"tdb-search-form\" action=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/\"><\/form>\n<div class=\"tdb-aj-search\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/#\" role=\"button\" aria-label=\"Search\" class=\"tdb-head-search-btn dropdown-toggle\" data-toggle=\"dropdown\"><i class=\"tdb-search-icon td-icon-search\"><\/i><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<h1 class=\"tdb-title-text\">Hawley presses witness on &lsquo;two-spirit people&rsquo; during testy Senate hearing<\/h1>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-title-line\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\">\n<div id=\"Brid_2360669\" class=\"tpd-featured-video bridtv\"><\/div>\n<p>Sen. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/tag\/Josh-Hawley\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Josh Hawley<\/a> (R-MO) clashed Tuesday with Gregory Jackson Jr., a former <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/tag\/biden-administration\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Biden White House adviser<\/a> on gun violence, in a fiery exchange over police funding and the meaning of &ldquo;two-spirit people.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>During a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Hawley <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/cspan\/status\/1973087837785342395\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">grilled Jackson<\/a> over a policy report produced by Community Justice Action Fund, the organization Jackson now advises. The report advocated shifting resources away from police departments and toward community-led initiatives, including &ldquo;safe space programs led by lesbian, gay, bisexual, two-spirit, trans, and gender nonconforming people.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<div class=\"recommended-stories\">\n<h2>Recommended Stories<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/news\/crime\/3831223\/suspect-danville-virginia-councilman-vogler-fire-affair-motive\/\">Suspect who allegedly lit Virginia councilman on fire says affair fueled attack<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/news\/crime\/3830546\/pritzker-warns-trump-sending-troops-illinois-raging-speech-jackbooted-thugs\/\">Pritzker warns against Trump sending troops to Illinois in raging speech: &#8216;Jackbooted thugs&#8217;<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/policy\/immigration\/3829510\/border-patrol-chicago-portland-support-ice-government-shutdown\/\">Border Patrol to remain in Chicago and Portland to support ICE if government shuts down<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"article-paywall\">\n<p>Reading directly from the report, Hawley asked: &ldquo;What&rsquo;s &lsquo;two-spirit&rsquo;?&rdquo;<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-media-max-width=\"560\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Sen. Josh Hawley: &#8220;What is two spirit person?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Gregory Jackson: &#8220;II feel like I&#8217;m looking at a two-faced individual.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Sen. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/HawleyMO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@HawleyMO<\/a>: &#8220;Oh, no, sir! You&#8217;re looking at somebody who&#8217;s reading you your own words.&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/0T4m8H8KYz\">pic.twitter.com\/0T4m8H8KYz<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; CSPAN (@cspan) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/cspan\/status\/1973087837785342395?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 30, 2025<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> <script data-cfasync=\"false\" src=\"http:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/cdn-cgi\/scripts\/5c5dd728\/cloudflare-static\/email-decode.min.js\"><\/script><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>    <\/p>\n<p>Jackson hesitated, replying: &ldquo;Well, look, I don&rsquo;t know exactly. You guys are pulling some interesting quotes.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>Hawley pressed again: &ldquo;This is from your report &hellip; You say don&rsquo;t fund the police, but do fund programs that create safe spaces for two-spirit people. What is&hellip; I just want to know. I don&rsquo;t know what that is.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>Jackson admitted, &ldquo;I have no idea what that is. Well, honestly, I&rsquo;m not completely aware of the language or the spirit of how that was written.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>That prompted Hawley to fire back: &ldquo;What is a two-spirit individual? &hellip; You are the witness called by the Democrats on this committee, so I assume you reflect their views. You don&rsquo;t want to fund the police. You want to fund safe spaces for two-spirit individuals. What is a two-spirit person?&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>The exchange grew more tense when Jackson shot back: &ldquo;I feel like I&rsquo;m looking at a two-faced individual because you talk about reducing violence.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>Hawley retorted: &ldquo;No, sir, you&rsquo;re looking at somebody who&rsquo;s reading you your own words, and I&rsquo;d like to hear an answer. Here&rsquo;s the answer: You don&rsquo;t have any solutions. You want to invest in gobbledygook and take away money from police officers who actually keep our communities safe&hellip; and it&rsquo;s a disgrace.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>The senator, who has long criticized &ldquo;defund the police&rdquo; proposals, touted his own record: &ldquo;We reduced homicides by 31%, and as someone who&rsquo;s been shot and nearly killed, I take offense that you won&rsquo;t answer my questions, that you deny your own words, and that you are leading this committee astray. Frankly, sir, your policies are absurd.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/news\/white-house\/3831342\/sunny-hostin-slams-pete-hegseths-push-for-stricter-military-standards-not-an-uplifting-message\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>SUNNY HOSTIN SLAMS PETE HEGSETH&rsquo;S PUSH FOR STRICTER MILITARY STANDARDS: &lsquo;NOT AN UPLIFTING MESSAGE&rsquo;<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Jackson previously served as deputy director of the Biden administration&rsquo;s Office of Gun Violence Prevention, created in 2023. He is currently president of the Rocket Foundation and serves as an executive adviser at Community Justice. A survivor of gun violence himself, Jackson has been a leading supporter of community-based prevention efforts.<\/p>\n<p>Tuesday&rsquo;s hearing, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.judiciary.senate.gov\/committee-activity\/hearings\/blue-city-chaos-and-tragedy-how-the-trump-administration-is-addressing-the-human-cost-of-soft-on-crime-policies\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">titled<\/a> <em>Blue City Chaos and Tragedy: How the Trump Administration is Addressing the Human Cost of Soft-on-Crime Policies<\/em>, underscored sharp divisions over crime policy.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"tdb-block-inner td-fix-index\"><\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hawley confronts witness on &#8216;two-spirit people&#8217; in heated hearing<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2678,"featured_media":2493112,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mo_disable_npp":"","fifu_image_url":"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Josh-Hawley.jpg?w=696","fifu_image_alt":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[33651],"tags":[50817,64358,48508,64357,34602],"class_list":["post-2493111","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-the-western-journal","tag-hawley-2","tag-political-exchange","tag-senate-hearing","tag-two-spirit-people","tag-witness-testimony"],"fifu_image_url":"https:\/\/www.washingtonexaminer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Josh-Hawley.jpg?w=696","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2493111","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2678"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2493111"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2493111\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2493115,"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2493111\/revisions\/2493115"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/2493112"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2493111"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2493111"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2493111"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}