{"id":2239187,"date":"2024-05-07T13:28:02","date_gmt":"2024-05-07T17:28:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/john-kirby-says-israel-cant-eliminate-an-ideology-with-force-history-disagrees\/"},"modified":"2024-05-07T13:30:20","modified_gmt":"2024-05-07T17:30:20","slug":"john-kirby-says-israel-cant-eliminate-an-ideology-with-force-history-disagrees","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/john-kirby-says-israel-cant-eliminate-an-ideology-with-force-history-disagrees\/","title":{"rendered":"John Kirby believes that Israel cannot eradicate an ideology through force, but history suggests otherwise"},"content":{"rendered":"<aside class=\"mashsb-container mashsb-main mashsb-stretched\"><div class=\"mashsb-box\"><div class=\"mashsb-count mash-medium\" style=\"&quot;\"><div class=\"counts mashsbcount\">30<\/div><span class=\"mashsb-sharetext\">SHARES<\/span><\/div><div class=\"mashsb-buttons\"><a class=\"mashicon-facebook mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservativenewsdaily.net%2Fbreaking-news%2Fjohn-kirby-says-israel-cant-eliminate-an-ideology-with-force-history-disagrees%2F\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-twitter mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?text=&amp;url=https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=2239187&amp;via=ConservNewsDly\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-subscribe mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"#\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Subscribe<\/span><\/a><div class=\"onoffswitch2 mash-medium mashsb-noshadow\" style=\"display:none\"><\/div><\/div>\n            <\/div>\n                <div style=\"clear:both\"><\/div><\/aside>\n            <!-- Share buttons by mashshare.net - Version: 4.0.47--><p>The Catharism movement in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/how-to-eradicate-transgenderism-from-public-life\/\" title=\"How To Eradicate Transgenderism From Public Life\">12th century<\/a> challenged orthodox Christianity with the belief \u200bin two gods, leading to conflict with the\u200d Catholic Church. John Kirby&#8217;s comparison of eliminating Hamas to\u200b historical events like the \u200dAlbigensian Crusade raises concerns about Israel&#8217;s approach and the complexities of ideological warfare. The Catharism movement \u200cin the 12th century challenged orthodox Christianity with the belief in\u2064 two\u2064 gods, leading to conflict with the Catholic Church. John Kirby&#8217;s comparison of eliminating Hamas to \u2062historical events like the Albigensian \u2063Crusade raises concerns about Israel&#8217;s approach and the\u2063 complexities of \u200dideological warfare.  <\/p>\n<p class=\"readmore\">\n    <button onclick=\"showReadMore()\" id=\"readmorebtn\">Read more&#8230;<\/button>\n<\/p>\n<hr id=\"line\">\n<span id=\"more\"><\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<figure>                         <\/figure>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p>In the 12th century, the Christian dualist movement Catharism began spreading across northern Italy and southern France. It was neither the first nor the last heretical challenge to orthodox Christianity in medieval Europe \u2014 as Catholics can surely attest.<\/p>\n<p>In any event, the Cathars essentially believed, among many other heresies, in two gods: one of eternal heaven and another of worldly evil. The belief became so popular that Pope Innocent III, apparently not a fan of religious liberty, was compelled to launch the Albigensian Crusade to stamp out this theological perversion. Hundreds of thousands likely perished. In one French Cathar city, 20,000 people were reported slaughtered under papal legate.<\/p>\n<p>I thought of the Cathars, as one does, when Kirby <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/sentdefender\/status\/1787557454806450572\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">responded<\/a> to a question about the United States\u2019 support for Israel\u2019s goal of eliminating Hamas with this <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/briefing-room\/press-briefings\/2024\/05\/06\/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-national-security-communications-advisor-john-kirby-3\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">popular<\/a> trope. Unlike the\u00a0Albigensian Crusaders,\u00a0of course, Israel is taking unprecedented precautions to protect the civilian life of their enemies \u2014 even though Hamas, unlike\u00a0medieval Christians, hides behind them.<\/p>\n<p>The worst part of Kirby\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/briefing-room\/press-briefings\/2024\/05\/06\/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-national-security-communications-advisor-john-kirby-3\/#:~:text=to%20eliminate%20Hamas%3F-,MR.,an%20ideology%20through%20military%20operations.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">platitudinous nonsense<\/a>, however,\u00a0is that it creates the impression Israel is <em>trying<\/em> to eliminate an entire \u201cideology\u201d rather than trying to eradicate an organized military and cultural force that uses theology for violent political aims. Of course Israel can\u2019t bore into the souls of Gazans and transform them into right-thinking people. It can destroy Hamas\u2019 hold on territory and render its ideology largely useless. It can bring the purveyors of Hamas ideology to justice and eradicate their military capabilities. For now, that\u2019s good enough.<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, if fighting wars to defend enlightened ideas against nefarious ones is really such a waste of time, why are we sending <a href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/judge-rules-ca-gov-overstepped-his-authority-with-covid-order-issues-permanent-injunction-restraining-newsom-from-further-issuing-unconstitutional-orders\/\" title=\"Judge Rules CA Gov Overstepped His Authority with Covid Order, Issues Permanent Injunction Restraining Newsom From Further Issuing Unconstitutional Orders\">hundreds<\/a> of billions to Ukraine to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/no-spike-in-florida-coronavirus-cases-despite-no-mask-mandate\/\" title=\"No Spike in Florida Coronavirus Cases Despite No Mask Mandate\">fight<\/a> Putinst aggression? We are incessantly assured that the European war is a battle between \u201cautocracy\u201d and \u201cdemocracy.\u201d These are ideological camps. If Volodymyr Zelensky could strike a debilitating blow to Putin\u2019s political power, would Kirby contend it was a waste of time?<\/p>\n<p>Why did we fight any wars, for that matter? Why did we fight al-Qaida? Surely there were Tories left in the United States after the Revolutionary War and fans of slavery left after the Civil War. There were plenty of Nazis around after World War II. The good news was that their leaders either committed gruesome suicides, were brought to justice, or were forced to hide in the jungles of South America where they worried that Mossad agents would show up and drag them to Israel to stand trial for their crimes. Most German civilians, even one-time fervent Nazis, made their peace with reality and moved on.<\/p>\n<p>One hopes that when Hamas is obliterated in Gaza, despite Kirby\u2019s objections, its leaders now living it up in Qatari resorts will also wonder if they will meet their ends by accidentally falling out a 20th-story window. And one hopes that the Palestinians, like the Germans and Japanese, will finally come to terms with reality and build better lives. <\/p>\n<hr>\n<div>\n<p>      David Harsanyi is a senior editor at The Federalist, a nationally syndicated columnist, a Happy Warrior columnist at National Review, and author of five books\u2014the most recent, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Eurotrash-America-Reject-Failed-Continent\/dp\/0063066017\/\">Eurotrash: Why America Must Reject the Failed Ideas of a Dying Continent<\/a>. Follow him on Twitter, <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/davidharsanyi\/\">@davidharsanyi<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<div data-image data-amount=\"5\">\n<h2>Popular<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/thefederalist.com\/#\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/thefederalist.com\/#\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/thefederalist.com\/#\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/thefederalist.com\/#\"><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/thefederalist.com\/#\"><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The 12th-century Catharism movement spread through Italy and France, challenging orthodox Christianity. 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