{"id":1775856,"date":"2022-12-15T08:05:37","date_gmt":"2022-12-15T13:05:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=1775856"},"modified":"2022-12-15T08:18:52","modified_gmt":"2022-12-15T13:18:52","slug":"new-study-says-red-meat-is-safe-but-is-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/new-study-says-red-meat-is-safe-but-is-it\/","title":{"rendered":"New Study Says Red Meat is Safe, But Is It?"},"content":{"rendered":"<aside class=\"mashsb-container mashsb-main mashsb-stretched\"><div class=\"mashsb-box\"><div class=\"mashsb-count mash-medium\" style=\"float:left\"><div class=\"counts mashsbcount\">20<\/div><span class=\"mashsb-sharetext\">SHARES<\/span><\/div><div class=\"mashsb-buttons\"><a class=\"mashicon-facebook mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservativenewsdaily.net%2Fbreaking-news%2Fnew-study-says-red-meat-is-safe-but-is-it%2F\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-twitter mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?text=&amp;url=https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=1775856&amp;via=ConservNewsDly\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-subscribe mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"#\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Subscribe<\/span><\/a><div class=\"onoffswitch2 mash-medium mashsb-noshadow\" style=\"display:none\"><\/div><\/div>\n            <\/div>\n                <div style=\"clear:both\"><\/div><\/aside>\n            <!-- Share buttons by mashshare.net - Version: 4.0.47--><div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<div class=\"lightbox-wrapper\"><a class=\"lightbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/03168c0ad3f510155b79a4eb7d382e0a38d818ef.jpeg\" data-download-href=\"\/uploads\/short-url\/rjJPzm5WB5x4Iazspzrwqrb7SD.jpeg?dl=1\" title=\"Red-Meat\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/03168c0ad3f510155b79a4eb7d382e0a38d818ef_2_690x282.jpeg\" alt=\"Red-Meat\" data-base62-sha1=\"rjJPzm5WB5x4Iazspzrwqrb7SD\" width=\"690\" height=\"282\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/03168c0ad3f510155b79a4eb7d382e0a38d818ef_2_690x282.jpeg, https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/03168c0ad3f510155b79a4eb7d382e0a38d818ef.jpeg 1.5x, https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/03168c0ad3f510155b79a4eb7d382e0a38d818ef.jpeg 2x\" data-dominant-color=\"E7DADC\"   style=\"display:none\"><\/a><\/div>\n<h3>\nLet\u2019s Break It Down<\/h3>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Researchers evaluated all studies done on red meat and six different disease outcomes and found almost no correlation. Are they right?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n<h3>\nRed Meat is Safe! Well, Maybe<\/h3>\n<p>Amidst all the bad news we face almost daily were reports of a new study that gave men and women, at least the carnivore types, a reason to keep on living. The headlines were all variations of the following:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cNew Study Finds Red Meat is Healthy, No Real Risks.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Throughout the land, joyous meat-eating men and women put on their ketchup-concealing dark jeans and red gingham dresses and headed to the Outback Steakhouse, but was the impulse correct? Should they\/we all be ordering the 20-ounce T-Bones or Teriyaki Filet Medallions, maybe starting with a Bloomin\u2019 Onion, with dietary impunity?<\/p>\n<h3>\nWhat Exactly Did This New Study Say?<\/h3>\n<p>Researchers at the University of Washington Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) have permanently arched eyebrows, like Trekkies doing some Spock cosplay at a Star Trek Convention. That\u2019s because the IHME, like Spock, is inherently skeptical, in this case, skeptical of studies that try to find an observational link between some action \u2013 like eating pickled eggs or something \u2013 and cancer, some other disease, or plain old death.<\/p>\n<p>In response to these sometimes-shoddy studies, the IHME uses a novel statistical method known as \u201cburden of proof risk function\u201d to quantitatively \u201cevaluate and summarize evidence of risk across different risk-outcome pairs.\u201d This allows them to scan all the data for a particular health risk and derive a number that translates to a 1-5 star rating system.<\/p>\n<p>In this instance, they looked at all relevant studies pertaining to red meat and its association with six outcomes: breast cancer, colorectal cancer, type 2 diabetes, ischemic heart disease (coronary heart disease or hardening of the arteries), ischemic stroke (when a blood vessel to the brain gets blocked), and hemorrhagic stroke (a brain bleed).<\/p>\n<p>Their analysis brought them to the conclusion that unprocessed red meat (cuts of beef, pork, veal, horse, and sheep, as opposed to the stuff you find on a pizza) was weakly associated with an increased risk of colorectal cancer, breast cancer, ischemic heart disease, and Type 2 diabetes by at least 6%, 3%, 1%, and 1%, respectively. Each of these pairs received two stars in their rating system.<\/p>\n<p>As far as unprocessed red meat and ischemic or hemorrhagic stroke, they found no association, earning them each one star.<\/p>\n<p>They concluded the following, all of which spits in the face of conventional health wisdom:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cThe available evidence suggests that elevated unprocessed red meat has a weak association with the risk of colorectal cancer, breast cancer, ischemic heart disease, and type 2 diabetes. It may affect ischemic or hemorrhagic stroke, but there is currently insufficient evidence to draw this conclusion.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>As Spock would say, \u201cLogical. Flawlessly logical.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"lightbox-wrapper\"><a class=\"lightbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/eae64444e0834b4a863ed40f140cd60808090420.jpeg\" data-download-href=\"\/uploads\/short-url\/xw14tou0EdsLAq2pthUZa4cSrxC.jpeg?dl=1\" title=\"Steak Healthy\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/eae64444e0834b4a863ed40f140cd60808090420_2_689x388.jpeg\" alt=\"Steak Healthy\" data-base62-sha1=\"xw14tou0EdsLAq2pthUZa4cSrxC\" width=\"689\" height=\"388\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/eae64444e0834b4a863ed40f140cd60808090420_2_689x388.jpeg, https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/eae64444e0834b4a863ed40f140cd60808090420_2_1033x582.jpeg 1.5x, https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/eae64444e0834b4a863ed40f140cd60808090420.jpeg 2x\" data-dominant-color=\"563731\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<h3>\nDon\u2019t Lump in Steaks and Burgers with Other Red Meats<\/h3>\n<p>Maybe their findings and deductions were logical, and the consumption of red meat is fairly innocuous regarding human health. However, their study neglected to distinguish between the different types and subtypes of red meat.<\/p>\n<p>To my mind, this study should have focused solely on steak (and hamburgers) and possibly pork since these variations are, for various reasons, a little different from other types of red meat. If they had, I think the associations between those types of red meat and the six outcomes that were the focal point of their statistical analysis would be stronger.<\/p>\n<p>Consider steak. It has at least three variables that might have big-time implications on health. First, there\u2019s portion size. As elegant as the IMHE\u2019s number crunching was, it apparently didn\u2019t consider the health implications of regularly eating 4-ounce portions as compared to 8, 12, or even the 16-ounce, toilet-seat cover slabs preferred by men who are part wolf or T-Rex.<\/p>\n<p>Neither did they seem to include the type of cut in their calculations. A 4-ounce portion of sirloin tip has only about 6 grams of fat, while an 8-ounce ribeye contains about 49 grams.<\/p>\n<p>The amount of fat is important for two reasons. First, unless the animal from which the cut was taken was grass-fed and grass-finished, the fatty acid ratio of the meat would be skewed and become a dietary handicap. (Grass-finished means they ate nothing but grass their entire lives, while grass-fed usually means they were started on grass but rudely switched to a grain diet a few weeks or months before slaughter.)<\/p>\n<p>Grain-fed usually leads to an unhealthful ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 fatty acids. Once this ratio of fatty acids devolves to 18 or 20 to 1 from the desired 2 or 3 to 1, the meat becomes just another inflammatory component of our diet. Eaten often enough, in large enough quantities, and combined with all the other inflammatory aspects of modern life, it\u2019s highly likely you\u2019re more prone to one or more of the six health outcomes the IMHE tracked in their study.<\/p>\n<p>Aside from fatty acid ratios, the sheer volume of fat consumed is also an issue. Some ground-breaking <a href=\"https:\/\/www.t-nation.com\/supplements\/tip-eat-dinner-die-a-few-hours-later\/\">research<\/a> by researcher Tyler Benson (that\u2019s yet to be acknowledged by the bulk of cardiologists) found that a single, high-fat meal makes it hard for men\u2019s blood vessels to dilate. Additionally, microscopic examination of their red blood cells showed that the high-fat meal had made their red blood cells \u201cspiky\u201d instead of smooth.<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cspiky\u201d blood cells, instead of smoothly slipping past one another, have the potential to jam up like cars after a mass pile-up, and the inflexible blood vessels apparently can compound the problem by making narrower \u201chighways\u201d (i.e., turning a four-lane highway into a two-lane highway, complete with cattle guards). These jam-ups might easily cause stroke or a heart attack by destabilizing plaques.<\/p>\n<p>While Benson\u2019s study was small (10 men) and the changes noted in the red blood cells were temporary, the same researchers previously found that mice continuously exposed to high-fat meals experienced permanent changes to their red blood cells. It\u2019s not a stretch to think the same thing might happen to humans.<\/p>\n<p>Granted, Benson\u2019s study had the men consuming 80 grams of fat through a milkshake comprised of ice cream, whole milk, and whipped cream, while the fattiest cut of steak I described above, the ribeye, has \u201conly\u201d about 49 grams of fat. However, it\u2019s rare a steak isn\u2019t eaten in conjunction with French fries, a baked potato with all the fixin\u2019s, or some other high-fat accompaniment, none of which were likely considered in the IMHE\u2019s calculations.<\/p>\n<p>So, people eating grass-fed steaks could have skewed the IMHE\u2019s statistics. So could people eating cuts of steak that weren\u2019t as fatty as other cuts or steaks that were smaller sized.<\/p>\n<h3>\nWhat is Red Meat, Anyhow?<\/h3>\n<p>Also, consider the question of what exactly is it that makes red meat different from, say, chicken or other \u201cwhite\u201d meats. Red meat is simply meat that\u2019s red when it\u2019s raw. This red color comes from an abundance of myoglobin, a protein found in striated muscles that\u2019s responsible for supplying oxygen to the cells. The more myoglobin the meat contains, the redder it is.<\/p>\n<p>(This myoglobin is often confused with actual blood, hence the term, a \u201cbloody steak.\u201d Steaks are not bloody. In truth, most of the blood was drained out at the slaughterhouse, and any residual red color your cooked steak has is merely myoglobin that wasn\u2019t exposed to enough heat to denature it.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>My point is this:<\/strong> The classification \u201cred meat\u201d is almost meaningless and should not, in any way, by itself, convey any negative opinions about its healthiness. Its \u201credness\u201d does not convey danger. After all, it\u2019s not a red scorpion or a poison dart frog.<\/p>\n<p>Again, the IMHE would have served us all better by just considering steak (and hamburger) and possibly pork in its calculations rather than lumping them in with lamb, horse, veal, or sheep, all of which are almost always served in their low fat, non-deleterious omega-6 to omega-3 ratio, non-spiky red-blood-cell forming variants.<\/p>\n<p>And my suggestion to include pork in their calculations was based not on the typically low-fat pork chop (unless it\u2019s got a ring of fat the size of an inner tube surrounding it), but its much more porcine cousins \u2013 pork belly and bacon (which is typically stripped from pork belly). The former is generally 50% fat, while a typical 8-gram strip of bacon has about 3.3 grams of fat (multiply that by how many strips the average bacon-crazed diner eats).<\/p>\n<div class=\"lightbox-wrapper\"><a class=\"lightbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/bf000c63cad50d5d26838fed8676d0e8328ebbbb.jpeg\" data-download-href=\"\/uploads\/short-url\/rfFiDiR8hEQdHsQoiYJ75mC6PEf.jpeg?dl=1\" title=\"Carnivore-Diet\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/bf000c63cad50d5d26838fed8676d0e8328ebbbb_2_689x388.jpeg\" alt=\"Carnivore-Diet\" data-base62-sha1=\"rfFiDiR8hEQdHsQoiYJ75mC6PEf\" width=\"689\" height=\"388\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/bf000c63cad50d5d26838fed8676d0e8328ebbbb_2_689x388.jpeg, https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/bf000c63cad50d5d26838fed8676d0e8328ebbbb_2_1033x582.jpeg 1.5x, https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/bf000c63cad50d5d26838fed8676d0e8328ebbbb.jpeg 2x\" data-dominant-color=\"482426\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<h3>\nShut Up Already. Is Steak Okay to Eat?<\/h3>\n<p>Eating meat, in general, can have lots of beneficial downstream <a href=\"https:\/\/www.t-nation.com\/lean-built-eating\/carnivore-diet-benefits-results-drawbacks\/\">health effects<\/a>. The most immediate result from choosing a meat-based meal, red or otherwise, over a carb-based meal concerns insulin, or rather, lack of it. While the amino acids in meat do, in fact, elicit a rise in blood sugar and a corresponding rise in insulin, it\u2019s marginal.<\/p>\n<p>However, a lot of plant-based foods, particularly starchy, heavily processed plant-based foods, elicit high blood sugar levels and large insulin responses and having perpetually high blood sugar can, however, play a role in any of the big-six medical maladies included in the IMHE study, most prominently type 2 diabetes.<\/p>\n<p>If, however, you build\/re-build insulin sensitivity by substituting foods that don\u2019t elevate blood sugar, like meat for carbohydrate, you not only generally lose body fat (which in itself has a bunch of downstream benefits), you suppress inflammatory proteins that play a role in cancer and heart disease.<\/p>\n<p>As far as the specific red meats the IMHE included in their analysis, you can probably believe them when they say veal, horse, and sheep have a weak association with the risk of colorectal cancer, breast cancer, ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes and probably no effect on ischemic or hemorrhagic stroke, but you might arch an eyebrow when they try to say the same thing about steak, hamburger, or fatty cuts\/varieties of pork.<\/p>\n<p>The problem is, including all those other types of red meat in their study, and lumping all kinds of steaks and certain types of pork together might have thrown their conclusions out of whack, made it seem that steak, et al., were only minimally related to certain diseases (cancers, diabetes) and not significantly related to other diseases (stroke and heart attack) at all.<\/p>\n<p>Regardless, you can make steak and hamburger as safe to eat as many of the things we consider to be healthy foods by doing a couple of things. For one, as suggested, always try to eat grass-finished steak and hamburger. That way, the fats you\u2019re eating aren\u2019t inflammatory.<\/p>\n<p>If you don\u2019t have access to grass-finished, just eat smaller portions (4 ounces) of lean(er) cuts like sirloin tip, top round steak, or even top sirloin. In the case of hamburger, buy 90% extra-lean ground beef.<\/p>\n<p>Secondly, make sure you don\u2019t turn yourself into an obligate <a href=\"https:\/\/www.t-nation.com\/lean-built-eating\/carnivore-diet-benefits-results-drawbacks\/\">carnivore<\/a>. Eat other stuff, too, like lots of olive oil, lots of fruits and vegetables, and lots of fish (or take <a href=\"https:\/\/biotest.t-nation.com\/products\/flameout\">fish oil<\/a>), but you already knew that.<\/p>\n<p>Do both those things and maybe, just maybe, we might find that there\u2019s indeed a legitimately weak correlation between steaks, burgers, some types of pork, and disease.<\/p>\n<details>\n<summary>\nReferences<\/summary>\n<h3>\nReferences<\/h3>\n<ol>\n<li>Lescinsky H et al. <strong>Health effects associated with consumption of unprocessed red meat: a Burden of Proof Study.<\/strong> Nature Medicine. 2022 Oct;28:2075-2082.<\/li>\n<li>Benson TW et al. **A single high-fat meal provokes pathological erythrocyte remodeling and increases myeloperoxidase levels: implications for acute coronary syndrome.**Lab Invest. 2018 Oct;98(10):1300-1310. <a href=\"https:\/\/pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/29572498\/\">PubMed<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/details><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<p>Several nurses and one cardiologist all told me after a STEMI that at least with heart disease and heart attacks, the root cause is primarily genetic.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<p>I assume like most everything else it is does dependent. Also, this study seems to place the blame on the particular type of saturated fat found in meat, as opposed to, say, milk. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.internationaljournalofcardiology.com\/article\/S0167-5273(17)36973-5\/fulltext\" class=\"inline-onebox\" rel=\"noopener nofollow ugc\">Consumption of individual saturated fatty acids and the risk of myocardial infarction in a UK and a Danish cohort &#8211; International Journal of Cardiology<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, the really bizarre thing here is that we are still trying to sort out things that should be below basic level. Like just what the hell we should and shouldn\u2019t eat and what the outcomes are. It\u2019s mind-boggling to me we still have arguments between vegetarians and carnivores. Science and tech have made a lot of progress, but answers to the most basic questions elude us.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote no-group\" data-username=\"SkyzykS\" data-post=\"2\" data-topic=\"280407\" data-full=\"true\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/sea2.discourse-cdn.com\/tnation\/user_avatar\/forums.t-nation.com\/skyzyks\/40\/300892_2.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> SkyzykS:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Several nurses and one cardiologist all told me after a STEMI that at least with heart disease and heart attacks, the root cause is primarily genetic.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>That would explain a lot of the discrepancies and weird findings in studies. Still, there are lifestyle things that could make genetic predispositions rear their ugly head.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote group-loyal-t-club\" data-username=\"savageresolve\" data-post=\"3\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/sea2.discourse-cdn.com\/tnation\/user_avatar\/forums.t-nation.com\/savageresolve\/40\/312832_2.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> savageresolve:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Of course, the really bizarre thing here is that we are still trying to sort out things that should be below basic level.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>Truer words were never spoken!<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<p>I am vegetarian because I have ethical objections to killing sentient creatures for food when there is no health advantage to it. Dary sources do not require cruelty nor do eggs and these, including whey provide better protein sources anyway.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Blockquote<\/p>\n<\/blockquote><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote group-Verified\" data-username=\"TC_Luoma\" data-post=\"4\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/sea2.discourse-cdn.com\/tnation\/user_avatar\/forums.t-nation.com\/tc_luoma\/40\/308079_2.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> TC_Luoma:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>That would explain a lot of the discrepancies and weird findings in studies.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>Yeah. Looking at it like the bell curve there are the marathon runners who do everything \u201cright\u201d and drop in their early 30\u2019s-> everybody else of various predisposition &#038; habit-> the 80 year olds who eat bacon wrapped bacon and smoke Pall Malls.<\/p>\n<p>Most of us are of various predisposition &#038; habit.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote no-group\" data-username=\"drbarney1\" data-post=\"6\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/avatars.discourse-cdn.com\/v4\/letter\/d\/d07c76\/40.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> drbarney1:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>I am vegetarian because I have ethical objections to killing sentient creatures for food<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>That\u2019s great and all, but what does this have to do with red meat being safe?<\/p>\n<p>Also, good opportunity to make a meme:<br \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/f1931ce6cc8154f84b3e6630fa46b996b64cdd54.png\" alt=\"image\" data-base62-sha1=\"yt4g0VvcprcsgbgsH4liJ6heZhy\" width=\"555\" height=\"374\" \/><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<p>Excellent article\u2026and that points out the promblem with most studies<br \/>Bullchampion63<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote no-group\" data-username=\"drbarney1\" data-post=\"6\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/avatars.discourse-cdn.com\/v4\/letter\/d\/d07c76\/40.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> drbarney1:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>I am vegetarian because I have ethical objections to killing sentient creatures for food when there is no health advantage to it. Dary sources do not require cruelty nor do eggs and these, including whey provide better protein sources anyway.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>I can respect that, along with you being evangelical about your beliefs.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote no-group\" data-username=\"bullchampion63\" data-post=\"9\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/avatars.discourse-cdn.com\/v4\/letter\/b\/aeb1de\/40.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> bullchampion63:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Excellent article\u2026and that points out the promblem with most studies<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>I know. Maddening (thanks!).<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<p>A thought comes to mind, though it might seem inappropriate on a forum where most all the men want 20\u201d biceps, ripped, but:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAll things in moderation.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote group-loyal-t-club\" data-username=\"RT_Nomad\" data-post=\"12\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/avatars.discourse-cdn.com\/v4\/letter\/r\/a8b319\/40.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> RT_Nomad:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\u201cAll things in moderation.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>What are you? Some kind of anarchist? Boy, we need to get your mind right. <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/emoji.discourse-cdn.com\/apple\/wink.png?v=12\" title=\":wink:\" class=\"emoji\" alt=\":wink:\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" \/><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote no-group\" data-username=\"drbarney1\" data-post=\"6\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/avatars.discourse-cdn.com\/v4\/letter\/d\/d07c76\/40.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> drbarney1:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Dary sources do not require cruelty nor do eggs and these<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>do you believe this to be true on a macro level?  In other words, do you believe that if the entire world went on a vegetarian diet that included dairy and eggs, that this could be accomplished without killing animals or maintaining them in cruel conditions?  This can certainly be accomplished on an individual basis, but you\u2019re not clearing\/maintaining enough farm land to feed the world without killing millions and millions of animals.  Nor are you providing eggs\/dairy to everyone in the world without some pretty awful conditions for cows and chickens.<\/p>\n<p>And I\u2019m not saying I don\u2019t hear where you\u2019re coming from.  I personally source all my food as responsibly as possible, but I\u2019m also aware of these hard facts.  Just wondering what your thoughts are on that <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/emoji.discourse-cdn.com\/apple\/slight_smile.png?v=12\" title=\":slight_smile:\" class=\"emoji\" alt=\":slight_smile:\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" \/><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<p>One thing I\u2019ve thought about is that domestic animals used for meat wouldn\u2019t exist after a few years if we did not eat meat.  A few would exist, but the population would decline quickly.  They exist in the numbers they do because we eat them.<\/p>\n<p>That being said, the ethics for me come down to the animal having a reasonably good life.  I don\u2019t stick to those ethics completely, but try to make decisions in that direction.<\/p>\n<p>An example of this is I try to eat a lot more beef than pork.  I\u2019ve seen the lives of both animals, and believe that the cattle don\u2019t have a bad existence.  I don\u2019t think the hogs have a very good life.  I still eat some pork, but have been thinking that I might buy a half hog locally.  From a farm where I know the conditions of it.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote group-Verified\" data-username=\"TC_Luoma\" data-post=\"4\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/sea2.discourse-cdn.com\/tnation\/user_avatar\/forums.t-nation.com\/tc_luoma\/40\/308079_2.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> TC_Luoma:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>there are lifestyle things that could make genetic predispositions rear their ugly head.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<aside class=\"quote no-group\" data-username=\"SkyzykS\" data-post=\"7\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/sea2.discourse-cdn.com\/tnation\/user_avatar\/forums.t-nation.com\/skyzyks\/40\/300892_2.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> SkyzykS:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Most of us are of various predisposition &#038; habit.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>I tihnk this is an often-missed point. Maybe genetics are 80% determinants (I made up the number, but it\u2019s probably not far off). If we can still reduce our relative risk for [insert disease] by another 20% through lifestyle modification, those odds seem worth the try.<\/p>\n<p>Unless you have small biceps; clearly it\u2019s then not a life worth saving.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote no-group\" data-username=\"mnben87\" data-post=\"15\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/sea2.discourse-cdn.com\/tnation\/user_avatar\/forums.t-nation.com\/mnben87\/40\/282129_2.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> mnben87:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>have been thinking that I might buy a half hog locally. From a farm where I know the conditions of it.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>This is what we do. It can be a ittle costly (depending where you are in life), but it\u2019s honestly not far off from grocery store prices anymore if you are within driving distance of the farm.<\/p>\n<p>I do at least half a hog a year, and I just got on the list for a quarter cow.<\/p>\n<p>I am still pretty carnivorous, but I\u2019m with you that I\u2019d like to be as thoughtful about it as I can be.<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote no-group\" data-username=\"TrainForPain\" data-post=\"16\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/sea2.discourse-cdn.com\/tnation\/user_avatar\/forums.t-nation.com\/trainforpain\/40\/225627_2.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> TrainForPain:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Unless you have small biceps; clearly it\u2019s then not a life worth saving.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<div class=\"lightbox-wrapper\"><a class=\"lightbox\" href=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/1192873a36d0680c25ec56512ee738da4e13b6f1.jpeg\" data-download-href=\"\/uploads\/short-url\/2vs3eZqLzHHm58DC4Mn4G6mUQMx.jpeg?dl=1\" title=\"received_671006557770817\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/1192873a36d0680c25ec56512ee738da4e13b6f1_2_281x500.jpeg\" alt=\"received_671006557770817\" data-base62-sha1=\"2vs3eZqLzHHm58DC4Mn4G6mUQMx\" width=\"281\" height=\"500\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/1192873a36d0680c25ec56512ee738da4e13b6f1_2_281x500.jpeg, https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/1192873a36d0680c25ec56512ee738da4e13b6f1.jpeg 1.5x, https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/1192873a36d0680c25ec56512ee738da4e13b6f1.jpeg 2x\" data-dominant-color=\"5B412E\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Nurses be like \u201cGive him mouth to mouth!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Doctors be like \u201cBut he\u2019s not even having a hard time breathing!\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/emoji.discourse-cdn.com\/apple\/rofl.png?v=12\" title=\":rofl:\" class=\"emoji only-emoji\" alt=\":rofl:\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" \/><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<aside class=\"quote no-group\" data-username=\"SkyzykS\" data-post=\"18\" data-topic=\"280407\">\n<div class=\"title\">\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" width=\"20\" height=\"20\" src=\"https:\/\/sea2.discourse-cdn.com\/tnation\/user_avatar\/forums.t-nation.com\/skyzyks\/40\/300892_2.png\" class=\"avatar\" \/> SkyzykS:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Nurses be like \u201cGive him mouth to mouth!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Doctors be like \u201cBut he\u2019s not even having a hard time breathing!\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>Haha!<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"post\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<p>Don\u2019t blame the burger for what the bun and fries did!<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Let\u2019s Break It Down Researchers evaluated all studies done on red meat and six different disease outcomes and found almost no correlation. 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