{"id":1465783,"date":"2022-05-05T21:14:36","date_gmt":"2022-05-06T01:14:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=1465783"},"modified":"2022-05-05T21:14:40","modified_gmt":"2022-05-06T01:14:40","slug":"i-spoke-to-an-abortionist-who-has-aborted-babies-since-1971-he-credits-trump-with-overturning-roe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/i-spoke-to-an-abortionist-who-has-aborted-babies-since-1971-he-credits-trump-with-overturning-roe\/","title":{"rendered":"I Spoke To An Abortionist Who Has Aborted Babies Since 1971. He Credits Trump With Overturning Roe."},"content":{"rendered":"<aside class=\"mashsb-container mashsb-main mashsb-stretched\"><div class=\"mashsb-box\"><div class=\"mashsb-count mash-medium\" style=\"float:left\"><div class=\"counts mashsbcount\">34<\/div><span class=\"mashsb-sharetext\">SHARES<\/span><\/div><div class=\"mashsb-buttons\"><a class=\"mashicon-facebook mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservativenewsdaily.net%2Fbreaking-news%2Fi-spoke-to-an-abortionist-who-has-aborted-babies-since-1971-he-credits-trump-with-overturning-roe%2F\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-twitter mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?text=&amp;url=https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=1465783&amp;via=ConservNewsDly\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-subscribe mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"#\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Subscribe<\/span><\/a><div class=\"onoffswitch2 mash-medium mashsb-noshadow\" style=\"display:none\"><\/div><\/div>\n            <\/div>\n                <div style=\"clear:both\"><\/div><\/aside>\n            <!-- Share buttons by mashshare.net - Version: 4.0.47--><div><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dw-wp-production.imgix.net\/2021\/10\/T1-scaled.jpg?w=1200&#038;h=800&#038;ixlib=react-9.3.0\" class=\"ff-og-image-inserted\" alt=\"image\" \/><\/div>\n<p>Warren Hern tells me he performed his first abortion in 1971, two years before the monumental Supreme Court decision <em>Roe v. Wade<\/em> legalized abortion across the United States. Fifty-one years later, he\u2019s still aborting babies in a Colorado abortion clinic \u2014 and facing the potential that<em> Roe<\/em> will be overturned.<\/p>\n<p>Hern is one of the longest-performing abortionists who is still alive in the United States. When I asked him about this during a phone interview earlier this week, he was momentarily confused.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn terms of the duration of the pregnancy or the number of years I\u2019ve been doing it?\u201d he asked, noting that he could claim \u201cboth\u201d these titles.<\/p>\n<p>Hern <a href=\"https:\/\/www.drhern.com\/\">advertises<\/a> that he will abort babies that are in the first, second, and third trimester (unborn babies that are 28 weeks and older). On his website, he notes that his office specializes in fetal abnormalities and that his patients \u201care often seeking services for termination of a desired pregnancy that has developed serious complications.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe perform either a four-day procedure similar to our second-trimester approach, or in rare cases offer an induced fetal demise,\u201d his website said.<\/p>\n<p>In that second-trimester approach for a baby that is older than 26 weeks, Hern\u2019s office first performs an ultrasound, blood tests, and counseling before inducing fetal demise (injecting the baby\u2019s heart with poison through the mother\u2019s abdomen while she is under anesthesia).<\/p>\n<p>On the second day, the abortion doctor confirms that the baby is dead, and inserts a single stick of laminaria into the cervix. On the third day, he removes the laminaria, and then inserts multiple laminaria while the mother is under anesthesia.<\/p>\n<p>The fourth day is when the \u201cprocedure,\u201d happens, according to Hern\u2019s website \u2014 the baby is removed from the mother\u2019s womb.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOn the second trimester abortion procedure day, we start with placing an IV and often provide some medication for anxiety if patients request it,\u201d his website says. \u201cThe laminaria and gauze are removed, and the amniotic membrane is ruptured (\u2018breaking the water\u2019). The amniotic fluid is drained as completely as possible.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhen the cervix is dilated enough, the uterine contents are evacuated surgically by using forceps and other instruments,\u201d the abortion doctor\u2019s website says, referring to a dilation and evacuation abortion. \u201cPatients are observed for up to two hours to ensure that their bleeding is light and that they are recovering well.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The abortionist insisted to me that he does not \u201cdeliver live fetuses.\u201d He didn\u2019t like my line of questioning on this point, and refused to weigh in on the five premie-sized aborted babies <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailywire.com\/news\/i-went-to-the-clinic-of-the-dc-abortionist-accused-of-gruesome-crimes-heres-what-i-saw\">intercepted by pro-life activists here in Washington, D.C.<\/a> from Dr. Cesare Santangelo\u2019s abortion clinic.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis is anti-abortion pornography,\u201d he said. \u201cThis is a violation of the women\u2019s privacy. And these are individual situations, individual tragedies, and that\u2019s none of their business.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cEven if the doctor was performing technically illegal abortions?\u201d I asked. He told me he didn\u2019t know anything about the case.<\/p>\n<p>On Monday evening,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.com\/news\/2022\/05\/02\/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473\">Politico revealed<\/a>\u00a0a draft opinion showing that the Supreme Court justices could likely rule to overturn\u00a0<em>Roe v. Wade.\u00a0<\/em>The news has sparked nationwide protests and frenzy as abortion activists and supporters grapple with the potential that\u00a0<em>Roe v. Wade<\/em>\u00a0could soon be overturned.<\/p>\n<p>Hern absolutely believes it will be.<\/p>\n<p>\u201c<em>Roe<\/em> will be overturned,\u201d Hern predicted to me without hesitation. \u201cThat\u2019s what the last ten presidential elections have been about.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The abortionist credited former President Donald Trump and the American people with this pro-life victory (Hern is not a Trump fan \u2014 he described the former president as a \u201cfascist demagogue who is one of the most ignorant persons on the planet\u201d).<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe fate of <em>Roe v. Wade<\/em> was sealed in 2016 when Donald Trump won the Electoral College by 77,000 votes,\u201d the abortionist told me. \u201cAnd I think that the American people voted for that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think that the <em>Roe v. Wade<\/em> decision is an important symbol of the right to choose for women,\u201d he said. \u201cAnd it certainly allowed more than 60 million women to have abortions at that time. But it has certain qualifications that are really very problematical.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere should be no restriction whatsoever on access to safe abortion services,\u201d Hern insisted. \u201c<em>Roe<\/em> set that up. And Sandra Day O\u2019Connor took advantage of that to place new obstacles for women in getting abortions later in pregnancy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The Republican Party has been \u201cextremely successful\u201d in using the abortion industry to gain power, he claimed, noting that Trump <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pewresearch.org\/fact-tank\/2016\/11\/09\/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis\/\">received over 80%<\/a> of the white Christian Evangelical vote in the 2016 election.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe trade-off was that he would install anti-abortion judges on the Supreme Court,\u201d the abortionist said, adding, \u201cAnd he did. That\u2019s why we have now the overwhelming anti-abortion majority on the U.S. Supreme Court. That was the result of the 2016 election.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But Republican pro-life momentum began with \u201cthe election of Ronald Reagan,\u201d he said. According to the abortionist, that momentum carried on with \u201cthe reelection of Ronald Reagan, the election of George H.W. Bush, the election of George W. Bush, the reelection of George W. Bush, and the election of Trump.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I asked him if he viewed the likely overturn of <i>Roe<\/i> as a \u201clongstanding Republican victory.\u201d He pointed to the late Bob Dole\u2019s victory over abortionist Bill Roy in 1974.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn 1974, Bob Dole was running for re-election for the first time, in the United States Senate in Kansas,\u201d he said. \u201cHis opponent was Dr. Bill Roy \u2026 who had delivered thousands of babies and then a handful of abortions for medical reasons. And a month before the election, Dole was losing. He started calling Dr. Roy an abortionist and said he was in favor of abortion on demand, and Dole won by one point instead of losing by 10 points.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo the abortion issue worked for him and the Republican Party took it from there,\u201d he added.<\/p>\n<p>Failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, <a href=\"https:\/\/dailycaller.com\/2019\/10\/20\/clintons-tulsi-gabbard-abortion\/\">coined<\/a> the term \u201csafe, legal, and rare,\u201d in the 90s in reference to abortion, suggesting that though abortions should be legal, they shouldn\u2019t be common occurrences.<\/p>\n<p>The Democratic Party\u2019s more recent departure from the phrase and embrasure of abortion on demand has sparked criticism from less radical Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard and former Planned Parenthood President Leana Wen.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I don\u2019t agree with <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TulsiGabbard?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@TulsiGabbard<\/a> on a lot, but do appreciate that she brought up the third rail for Democrats: that abortion should be \u201csafe, legal, and rare.\u201d We should reduce the need for abortions by investing in prevention.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Leana Wen, M.D. (@DrLeanaWen) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DrLeanaWen\/status\/1184295488012595202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 16, 2019<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>But Hern called the phrase \u201csafe, legal, and rare,\u201d a very \u201cmisleading slogan.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAbortions will never be rare,\u201d the abortionist told me. \u201cWomen have been having abortions for hundreds of thousands of years.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He told me that it \u201cdepends on the circumstances\u201d when I asked him how far along he would do an abortion, claiming that most patients he sees in the \u201cvery late stage of pregnancy\u201d want to abort their unborn baby because of a \u201ccatastrophic, fatal abnormality\u201d where the baby has \u201cno hope of having any kind of life or normal life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn that case, the pregnancy is an immediate threat to the woman\u2019s life and ending the pregnancy for the abortion is much safer for the woman than carrying the pregnancy to term.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cEven if the woman could go into labor any minute?\u201d I asked.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat\u2019s a very questionable statement,\u201d he told me. \u201cWomen have miscarriages when they are 10 or 20 weeks pregnant. That is not a useful characterization. My point is that abortion is a fundamental component of women\u2019s health care. And the decision about whether that should happen is up to the woman, and how it should happen and whether it should happen under what circumstances is between her and her physician.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo it\u00a0sounds like you think that no one should be questioning how this goes, and it should be between the doctor and the woman,\u201d I said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPeople are free to question anything,\u201d he said, beginning to sound upset, \u201cI\u2019m not sure I\u2019m getting through my point to you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The rhetoric surrounding abortion is \u201cvery, very destructive,\u201d he told me. \u201cThe\u00a0whole purpose of the rhetoric is to get political power and not to help understand [abortion].\u201d<\/p>\n<p>When I pressed him to say whether he had ever seen a baby born alive in an abortion, as pro-life activists claim happens in Santangelo\u2019s Washington Surgi-Clinic, he became flustered and told me I was getting into \u201cpropaganda\u201d and \u201crhetoric.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe are getting off into this speculation here,\u201d he said. \u201cI\u2019m not really \u2014 I think that I told you what I think. I think that we don\u2019t need to continue any further. You\u2019re\u00a0asking very provocative questions and you\u2019re free to ask them, but I really think that I\u2019ve told you what I think, that abortion is a fundamental component of women\u2019s health care. There should be no restrictions at all on abortion whatsoever.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s a matter for the woman and the physician to decide,\u201d he finished. \u201cIt\u2019s a medical matter, and the rhetoric is not helpful.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAn anti-abortion fanatic will say anything to get a headline out to help win elections for Republicans,\u201d the abortionist insisted.<\/p>\n<p>When I pressed him, he told me that for late-term abortions, he injects the baby with a substance that stops the baby\u2019s heart before inducing the abortion. That\u2019s called an \u201cinduced fetal demise,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd it\u2019s never \u2026 not stopped?\u201d I asked. \u201cI had been told that sometimes it doesn\u2019t stop the heart.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe don\u2019t deliver live fetuses,\u201d he finally said. \u201cThat is not dead. If that happens somewhere, that is not something I know about, and I have no comment about it. There are ways to keep that from happening. Doing the induced fetal demise is part of making the abortion as safe as possible for the woman.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Warren Hern tells me he performed his first abortion in 1971, two years before the monumental Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade legalized abortion across the United States. 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