{"id":1130826,"date":"2021-12-18T14:59:01","date_gmt":"2021-12-18T19:59:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=1130826"},"modified":"2021-12-18T14:59:03","modified_gmt":"2021-12-18T19:59:03","slug":"is-there-discipline-inside-the-pentagon-at-all-pentagon-spox-confronted-over-afghan-strike-that-killed-7-children","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/is-there-discipline-inside-the-pentagon-at-all-pentagon-spox-confronted-over-afghan-strike-that-killed-7-children\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018Is There Discipline Inside The Pentagon At All?\u2019: Pentagon Spox Confronted Over Afghan Strike That Killed 7 Children"},"content":{"rendered":"<aside class=\"mashsb-container mashsb-main mashsb-stretched\"><div class=\"mashsb-box\"><div class=\"mashsb-count mash-medium\" style=\"&quot;\"><div class=\"counts mashsbcount\">36<\/div><span class=\"mashsb-sharetext\">SHARES<\/span><\/div><div class=\"mashsb-buttons\"><a class=\"mashicon-facebook mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.conservativenewsdaily.net%2Fbreaking-news%2Fis-there-discipline-inside-the-pentagon-at-all-pentagon-spox-confronted-over-afghan-strike-that-killed-7-children%2F\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-twitter mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?text=&amp;url=https:\/\/www.conservativenewsdaily.net\/breaking-news\/?p=1130826&amp;via=ConservNewsDly\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><a class=\"mashicon-subscribe mash-medium mash-nomargin mashsb-noshadow\" href=\"#\" target=\"_top\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"icon\"><\/span><span class=\"text\">Subscribe<\/span><\/a><div class=\"onoffswitch2 mash-medium mashsb-noshadow\" style=\"display:none\"><\/div><\/div>\n            <\/div>\n                <div style=\"clear:both\"><\/div><\/aside>\n            <!-- Share buttons by mashshare.net - Version: 4.0.47--><p>On Wednesday, Pentagon Spokesman John Kirby appeared on MSNBC\u2019s \u201cMorning Joe,\u201d and was asked by co-host Willie Geist about the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailywire.com\/news\/breaking-pentagon-review-recommends-no-disciplinary-action-after-drone-strike-killed-7-afghan-kids-report-says\">drone strike<\/a> in Afghanistan that killed ten civilians, including seven children.<\/p>\n<p>After noting that 13 American troops were killed in an ISIS attack at Hamid Karzai International Airport during the Biden administration\u2019s withdrawal from Afghanistan, Geist laid out the details of the drone strike.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cA couple of days later, in an act of retribution \u2026 a group of civilians were killed. We were told that it was an attack on ISIS. It turns out they were not,\u201d Geist said. \u201cOn Monday, the Pentagon announced that there would be no punishment of any kind in the military.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The co-host explained that according to the Pentagon, the improper strike was the result of \u201ca breakdown in process and execution and procedural events, not the result of negligence, not the result of misconduct, not the result of poor leadership.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cCivilians killed by an American drone. How can no one be held accountable for that?\u201d Geist asked.<\/p>\n<p>Kirby replied, saying that he understood the concern, but an independent investigation didn\u2019t indicate \u201cnegligence\u201d or \u201cmisconduct.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNobody wants to see civilian harm, and we work very hard to avoid that \u2014 but we\u2019re not perfect,\u201d Kirby stated before reiterating that it was a procedural breakdown over which an individual or group of people shouldn\u2019t necessarily be held to account.<\/p>\n<p>Following a back and forth between Kirby and co-host Joe Scarborough about intel, Geist pushed back on Kirby regarding punishments.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut how does it strike you that no one is held accountable?\u201d Geist asked. \u201cBecause I know how it strikes a lot of people around the world, that you can get away with murder and nobody\u2019s punished for it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kirby again pointed to \u201cprocedural breakdowns,\u201d and added that they appreciate that not everyone will agree with the outcome.<\/p>\n<p>Geist pressed: \u201cIs there discipline inside the Pentagon at all? I mean, maybe there are no charges brought up, but is anyone demoted or disciplined for what happened that day?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kirby replied, saying that there won\u2019t be individual accountability, but that lessons will be learned for the future:<\/p>\n<p><em>\u2026there\u2019s not going to be individual discipline as a result of this \u2026 but what we are going to do is learn from this, and we\u2019re going to enact and improve our procedures and our processes to try to make sure this doesn\u2019t happen again.<\/em><\/p>\n<p> <iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"John Kirby - \u201cMorning Joe\u201d - 12\/15\/2021\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/xmrIul2rLiU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe> <\/p>\n<p>TRANSCRIPT:<\/p>\n<p>GEIST: Late August, 13 American troops were killed at the airport, Karzai Airport, 18 of them were wounded. A couple of days later, in an act of retribution that General Milley called a \u201crighteous attack,\u201d a group of civilians were killed. We were told that it was an attack on ISIS. It turns out they were not. On Monday, the Pentagon announced that there would be no punishment of any kind in the military. What we saw \u201cwas a breakdown in process and execution and procedural events, not the result of negligence, not the result of misconduct, not the result of poor leadership.\u201d Civilians killed by an American drone. How can no one be held accountable for that?<\/p>\n<p>KIRBY: I understand there\u2019s concerns about this decision, but it was \u2014 the investigation was independent that we did into the strike, done by the Air Force IG who had the authority if he saw negligence and misconduct to conduct another investigation into that conduct. He didn\u2019t find that. Then, the two commanders involved, Central Command, Special Operations Command down in Tampa, they also reviewed the investigation and the strike itself and determined that these were really procedural problems. Nobody wants to see civilian harm, and we work very hard to avoid that \u2014 but we\u2019re not perfect. And I think it\u2019s important to keep in context what was happening on the 29th of August. We had just lost, as you said, 13 members to a real ISIS threat, a real ISIS attack, and just a few days after that, we were going to leave Afghanistan forever. And we were getting tangible, credible threats from ISIS to attack our troops at the airport, as well as innocent Afghans. So, there was a crunch of time, there were procedural breakdowns, not everything went the way it was supposed to go. And we\u2019ve acknowledged that quite publicly. But just because the procedures broke down doesn\u2019t mean that there was misconduct or a reason to hold one person in particular, or some people in particular, responsible for that.<\/p>\n<p>SCARBOROUGH: Where did the bad intel come from?<\/p>\n<p>KIRBY: It wasn\u2019t bad intelligence, Joe. It was the way the intelligence was processed in the moment. They were following his car \u2014 which they believed and had intelligence to indicate would be involved in a strike against the airport \u2014 so they were following it over the course of eight hours, and that intelligence was not bad; it<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On Wednesday, Pentagon Spokesman John Kirby appeared on MSNBC\u2019s \u201cMorning Joe,\u201d and was asked by co-host Willie Geist about the drone strike in Afghanistan that killed ten civilians, including seven children.After noting that 13 American troops were killed in an ISIS attack at Hamid Karzai International Airport during the Biden administration\u2019s withdrawal from Afghanistan, Geist laid out the details of the drone strike.\u201cA couple of days later, in an act of retribution \u2026 a group of civilians were killed. We were told that it was an attack on ISIS. It turns out they were not,\u201d Geist said. \u201cOn Monday, the Pentagon announced that there would be no punishment of any kind in the military.\u201dThe co-host explained that according to the Pentagon, the improper strike was the result of \u201ca breakdown in process and execution and procedural events, not the result of negligence, not the result of misconduct, not the result of poor leadership.\u201d\u201cCivilians killed by an American drone. How can no one be held accountable for that?\u201d Geist asked.Kirby replied, saying that he understood the concern, but an independent investigation didn\u2019t indicate \u201cnegligence\u201d or \u201cmisconduct.\u201d\u201cNobody wants to see civilian harm, and we work very hard to avoid that \u2014 but we\u2019re not perfect,\u201d Kirby stated before reiterating that it was a procedural breakdown over which an individual or group of people shouldn\u2019t necessarily be held to account.Following a back and forth between Kirby and co-host Joe Scarborough about intel, Geist pushed back on Kirby regarding punishments.\u201cBut how does it strike you that no one is held accountable?\u201d Geist asked. \u201cBecause I know how it strikes a lot of people around the world, that you can get away with murder and nobody\u2019s punished for it.\u201dKirby again pointed to \u201cprocedural breakdowns,\u201d and added that they appreciate that not everyone will agree with the outcome.Geist pressed: \u201cIs there discipline inside the Pentagon at all? I mean, maybe there are no charges brought up, but is anyone demoted or disciplined for what happened that day?\u201dKirby replied, saying that there won\u2019t be individual accountability, but that lessons will be learned for the future:\u2026there\u2019s not going to be individual discipline as a result of this \u2026 but what we are going to do is learn from this, and we\u2019re going to enact and improve our procedures and our processes to try to make sure this doesn\u2019t happen again.[embedded content]TRANSCRIPT:GEIST: Late August, 13 American troops were killed at the airport, Karzai Airport, 18 of them were wounded. A couple of days later, in an act of retribution that General Milley called a \u201crighteous attack,\u201d a group of civilians were killed. We were told that it was an attack on ISIS. It turns out they were not. On Monday, the Pentagon announced that there would be no punishment of any kind in the military. What we saw \u201cwas a breakdown in process and execution and procedural events, not the result of negligence, not the result of misconduct, not the result of poor leadership.\u201d Civilians killed by an American drone. How can no one be held accountable for that?KIRBY: I understand there\u2019s concerns about this decision, but it was \u2014 the investigation was independent that we did into the strike, done by the Air Force IG who had the authority if he saw negligence and misconduct to conduct another investigation into that conduct. He didn\u2019t find that. Then, the two commanders involved, Central Command, Special Operations Command down in Tampa, they also reviewed the investigation and the strike itself and determined that these were really procedural problems. Nobody wants to see civilian harm, and we work very hard to avoid that \u2014 but we\u2019re not perfect. And I think it\u2019s important to keep in context what was happening on the 29th of August. We had just lost, as you said, 13 members to a real ISIS threat, a real ISIS attack, and just a few days after that, we were going to leave Afghanistan forever. And we were getting tangible, credible threats from ISIS to attack our troops at the airport, as well as innocent Afghans. So, there was a crunch of time, there were procedural breakdowns, not everything went the way it was supposed to go. And we\u2019ve acknowledged that quite publicly. But just because the procedures broke down doesn\u2019t mean that there was misconduct or a reason to hold one person in particular, or some people in particular, responsible for that.SCARBOROUGH: Where did the bad intel come from?KIRBY: It wasn\u2019t bad intelligence, Joe. It was the way the intelligence was processed in the moment. They were following his car \u2014 which they believed and had intelligence to indicate would be involved in a strike against the airport \u2014 so they were following it over the course of eight hours, and that intelligence was not bad; it was just the way it was assessed and acted upon.GEIST: But how does it strike you that no one is held accountable? Because I know how it strikes a lot of people around the world, that you can get away with murder and nobody\u2019s punished for it.KIRBY: I do understand that. We appreciate that not everybody\u2019s gonna support this decision. What I can tell you is we looked at this thing very, very comprehensively. And again, we acknowledge that there were procedural breakdowns, processes were not executed the way they should have been, but it doesn\u2019t necessarily indicate that an individual or individuals have to be held to account for that\u2026GEIST: Is there discipline inside the Pentagon at all? I mean, maybe there are no charges brought up, but is anyone demoted or disciplined for what happened that day?KIRBY: What we are going to do \u2014 there\u2019s not going to be individual discipline as a result of this \u2026 but what we are going to do is learn from this, and we\u2019re going to enact and improve our procedures and our processes to try to make sure this doesn\u2019t happen again.The Daily Wire is one of America\u2019s fastest-growing conservative media companies and counter-cultural outlets for news, opinion, and entertainment. 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